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to see these decks in this beautiful builds, instead of the bad USA or japanese builds. the chaoses are good, the gb is stable, the dragons are great, and the zombie is wonderful to see.

I really hope more philipines' tournament top 8 decks will be brought to our intention.

on behalf of the Israeli TCG community :)

Just because you can't build decks in Philippine? Ok, thats a bit hard, but I mean, these decks are innovative, but they can't come up at a World Championship, because too much OCG onlys are used, and, it's staPle, not staBle-.-

Might have been hated out by most of the decks. The tournament appears to have been running on some sort of Hybrid Format by the Virtue of Swallow's Nest (not yet printed in the OCG) and the Natural Monsters (not yet printed in the TCG).

what do you mean fail? sure you won't be seing builds like that make sjcs, but if you like to totally net deck and like to waste 200 dollars worth on cardboard thinking about winning a kid's game, you sir, Fail. people here play for fun and not for keeps like hustlers.

Good to see youngsters using the old strawman argument because they don't know any better.

It's possible to play for fun AND be good. I guess you can keep telling yourself that it;'s okay they're so terrible because "it's just for fun hurr"

Drop the grade school arguments and grow up

Yes Jingrock you fail

See, here's the problem with the trashers here. They see a deck that looks weird, and the they dismiss it as trash.

Take a leap of faith and create a deck for the heck of it. You'd be surprised how well these perform.

"Heck, we might even be better than you."
Very much doubt that considering the card choices these decks have made.

"They just did not use them for innovative and new reasons."
New and innovative but still not the optimal card choice

"We are tired of using netdecked builds"
oh great its the whole "boo netdeck sucks" argument that every edgy new player uses to justify their bad tech choices. Well fyi netdecking is not a bad thing to do. Netdecks are there because they have the optimal build. At the same time though I applaud actual new and innovative decks like the dark simorgh/fortune lady build ran in the recent sjc. Not only does it work but it's also completely innovative not like these basic deck builds you guys have with random bad techs and you think suddenly you're on the forefront of innovation.

I'll listen to your justifications of certain card techs and maybe i'll change my opinion about this top 8 list. Go ahead and explain to me the odd card choices that Jingrock pointed out.


but until then I'll just hope that your guy's champion list isn't so disappointing

the reason why you are netdecking is because a duelist posted his decklist on the net. a deck which he created WITHOUT LOOKING or COPYING SOMEBODY ELSE'S BUILD...

"Netdecks are there because they have the optimal build."
"Not only does it work but it's also completely innovative not like these basic deck builds you guys have with random bad techs and you think suddenly you're on the forefront of innovation."
IT'S BECAUSE YOU CAN'T THINK OF YOUR OWN BUILD! that is why you netdeck... lol!

i have to agree with wowowee, his arguments are solid, though my opinion of the decklists isn't nearly as negative. afterall, different card available=different meta, and personally i don't know anything about the amount of players, availability of cards, tournament size, etc.

netdecking is finding the optimal build, no one said you had to run the optimal build, you're jus looking for a deck design that has proven itself, the point in being to learn why it was the optimal build, why decisions you might be mulling over were made. you might not even be running ls, but you might netdeck it and play against it/play it to understand certain aspects. innovation can only be achieved thru an understanding of what is currently in the meta and why it is successful. the only arguments against involve morals and "originality", very bad arguments. if you feel good telling yourself you're idea is original, good for you, chances are you jus aren't looking hard enuff.

what happens if i've never seen any decklists before, i put together a deck based on what i find works optimal, and it turns out to be near exact a build that jus won "x major tourn", am i a netdecker or is it that we both agree that this is the optimal build and came to the same results b/c it in fact, is the optimal build? im not going to let others morals dictate what i play.

the builds are strange, but thats what i like, they're coming from another angle and place. i thought ohm was a clever idea, ultimate offering could be a nice addition, summon, search your next summon, tribute off with ohm.

and yep im gonna netdeck, take what aspects work in my place and adapt them to my angle, why? b/c its fun and i don't go around trying to be self-righteous with my "original" designs. jus try and stop meh muah hahahahaha..

hmmm I think you do not know how to run the bull drago zombie that is why you are crticizing the supervis there

But why u don't use Hidden Armory??

It's very simple. Gigapant is the optimum choice for supervis; so running supervis in anything else, causes it to be sub optimum.

searcher monsters are on the same level since zombies have really nice floaters but lonefire blossom gives plants that on command ability to generate first turn setups.

Compare gy targets between the two. Nettles and copyplant give a far wider range of options than the lone plaguespreader can.

Plant decks thanks to mystic tomato can still utilize allure of darkness

gigaplant decks can abuse powertool's (thanks copy plant!) equip searching ability for instant pluses due to the 6-7 equip spells they can utilize to swarm the field.

My MAIN POINT is that you would have been better suited to run a destiny engine instead of il blud and supervis because they don't reap the benefits form supervis as well as gigaplant does.

Now i know you're going to say "well i don't care about optimum builds i just play for fun so i dont care there!" and you know what that's cool. It's just really surprising to see bad techs be heralded as great when really they're just that... bad techs being played for fun.

Just to cover all my bases I'm just going to say that yes I know your deck isn't bludvis but i am talking about your supervis tech.

Like I said earlier Supervis is better suited for gigaplant and you're better off running D-hero engine over it since it gives you speed and your oh so awesome double synchros at the same time. Way to miss the point.

Priestess ohm breaks tempo and is really just a very slow implementation of DSF. Sacrificing tempo for a mere 800 every time you -1 yourself is just hilarious. On top of that you would have been better off running more control oriented cards (a third icarus, oppressions especially considering this top 8) than the faint chance of OTK with reckless greeds. FYI BWs otk just fine with the help of whirlwind.

Dimensional fissure is a common tech in glads and I have no qualms about it. Gbs can easily avoid hitting the gy so it benefits them greatly. The problem is RFTDD when the point of dimensional glads is to not hit the gy (unless you're bad) giving you NO targets for RFTDD.

I mean come on. Swallow's nest? really? a minus one for a mere chance to attack ro maybe a one for one if you chain it to smething else but still doesn't justify running it.
Sided bottomless trapholes in this format? like wth?
not running the third sirrocco? whyyyyyy
delta crow? the really bad card is mained? I mean it's only really useful against GB chariots and rogue decks so why not side it?
maining threatening roars over a third icarus and/or book of moon? Why? scared of GBs? as if the 3x oppression wasn't going to wreck them hard enough. And what, Icarus and book can't handle gbs like T roar can?
or maybe they're scared of BW/LS otks which waboku would be better suited for anyway

I mean I could just go on and on but you know what this probably won't go anywhere so I'll just wait for the next list that hopefully will actually introduce some interesting choices.

trying to prove himself. he has closed his mind into "what is the 'OPTIMAL' build?" lololol talk about wowoweeewow he just told you the tempo of ohm priest. you have no experience with the decks so you have no place to judge. all you are is judging and analyzing the deck through theory and meta. just shut the fuc up and keep to yourself. those decks are up there for a reason ya loosah troll lolol

i really think the bludvis is good, rather good than destiny engine cause that deck,though has speed (like LS) is inconsistent and sometimes finding a very bad hand (destiny draw plus a zombie and no d-heros)

and i'm sure those BW builds are relying on their toolbox engine rather (and countering LS or other deck that special summons a lot) than the usual approach,
but seriously reckless greed??? you don't understand how RG really works (or rather abuse it)

love the allstar deck though not sure how it works lol

Damn it Chunky!

You're making me feel bad about trolling. Don't be so modest with your replies.

7th place:
actually, that's not his real deck...he wrote down senseless crap out of nowhere...actually he is using DHERO zombies with Gokuen...that's why he's on top...disregard that decklist...he did not post his real deck in our reg list, i dunno why...

@Wowowee:
what can i say? your point of argument has completely struck me...
my point is as simple as this:
-people wanna run DHERO ZOmbies? watch my deck and let it explode even without the standard set up :)
and actually, i'm more comfortable with running Blud Vis than DHERO...dunno why, i just like beating the norm :)

why am i running BLud over Giga?
1. i like zombies (senseless, but my main reason why i run it)

2. Blud is dark...Giga's earth...i'm running burials, i can use blud/gardna/zombie carrier as fodder for allure and end up having the materials in my GY if needed.

3. since Blud is dark, i can run Dark End Dragon. one itsy-bitsy lock i'm using is protect DED with necro gardnas and pinch out annoying monsters from the field...
very typical scenario:
opponent has JD, no other cards (spent up)...i have 1 DED and 1 stardust Dragon and Gardna in my GY...he can't use JD's effect...he is forced to attack, i negate it...next turn i send JD to the grave via DED...

4. many people run zombies...i can use blud to snatch their own zombie carrirer while i don't have it yet (at times, i deliberately use my opponent's carrier to conserve my resources). Giga can't snatch plants/insects from other graves...

as of now, i'm trying to make a Giga-Vis build...i'm just not that familiar with the plants that i should use...i'm trying to fit in 3 Pollinosis for this deck. more of a swarm-control deck...

i actually accept criticisms, as long as they have basis...and i use them to improve my viewpoint

hey if the guy wants to run zombies then you guys have no business about it right?

and i think this guys knock off BFs and LS decks in which you guys CAN'T do

and whats with that BF with the Ohms?????????? The other BF is better

How are you going to summon ohm with most of your Bfs needs to be normal summon?

vayu and no burial??? it's just a hard concept

usually, we're 2-3 weeks late of the latest release...some of has have battle fader already...i'm planning to buy packs for BatFad...and dust tornadoes, they're bad against my deck...hahaha it'll screw my il blud...anyway, J3T_Tlag - are you Jet in our forums??

yis haha...

it'll be interesting to see the decklists for December now with everyone wanting BatFad... wee 3x necros and 3x batfads

Bat Fad will screw my deck over...that pesky creep really makes my deck eat ****...i've had a duel with chito one time, using his Christia Fairies...helocked me down by stalling with bat fad and Alchemist... :P