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Banned and Restriction List 「禁止・制限カードリスト」

Listed are only the CHANGES

09/01/2009

Forbidden Cards 「禁止カード」:
Card of Safe Return 「生還の宝札」
Dark Dive Bomber 「ダーク・ダイブ・ボンバー」
Monster Reborn 「死者蘇生」
Crush Card Virus 「死のデッキ破壊ウイルス」

Restriction Cards 「制限カード」:
Demise, King of Armageddon 「終焉の王デミス」
Mental Master 「メンタルマスター」
Rescue Cat 「レスキューキャット」
Mind Control 「精神操作」
Black Feather - Gale of the Hurricane 「BF-疾風のゲイル」
One for One 「ワン・フォー・ワン」
Solemn Judgment 「神の宣告」
Summon Priest 「召喚僧サモンプリースト」
Cold Wave 「大寒波」
Black Rose Dragon 「ブラック・ローズ・ドラゴン」
Call of the Haunted 「リビングデッドの呼び声」

Semi-Restriction Cards 「準制限カード」:
Bottomless Trap Hole 「奈落の落とし穴」
Dulauren, Tiger King of the Ice Boundary 「氷結界の虎王ドゥローレン」
Lonefire Blossom 「ローンファイア・ブロッサム」
Chaos Sorcerer 「カオス・ソーサラー」
Mezuki 「馬頭鬼」

No longer restricted 「準制限」:
Raiza the Storm Monarch 「風帝ライザー」
Destiny Draw 「デステニー・ドロー」
Fissure 「地割れ」
Breaker the Magical Warrior 「魔導戦士ブレイカー」
Green Baboon, Defender of the Forest 「森の番人グリーン・バブーン」
D.D. Warrior Lady 「異次元の女戦士」
Loki (guest) - 2009/08/14 19:59

Who knows?

It would be funny if this list is real. Interesting, very interesting indeed... I will be watching this page over the next 3 days.

guest (guest) - 2009/08/17 15:17

damn it..

this banlist sucks donkey balls.
koonami is going to lose alot of players.
guest (guest) - 2009/08/17 17:06

I just brought Dark Strike Fighter and this happens...and what will happen to my plants?! Fuck u Konami, you greedy cunts.
MasterSephiroth - 2009/08/14 20:21

This is real

This is the V-JUMP page, where, two weeks before the list comes, the list is explained detailedly...my god...this is not normal...oO...this is the first list, that has schocked me this horribly...oO

PH (guest) - 2009/08/14 20:22

The List...

has to be fake.

rafa (guest) - 2009/08/16 03:34

hast to be fake, it has to be fake, if not, ...i will cry...i mean, i will be ok if gale gets semi limited...which he shouldnt, but it will be ok if he gets semi limited...but....limited?!...no fair...and...no more dark strike....it is also not fair
PH (guest) - 2009/08/14 20:30

Okay...

That picture changes things a bit. Well, at least Lightsworn (for the most part) wasn't harmed.

Silver (guest) - 2009/08/14 20:37

LS

LS is top tier now...and my poor plants....
MasterSephiroth - 2009/08/14 20:45

LS

My hope was for limiting Honest and Judgment...

Now I have to play Graveyard Blackfeather...the only deck, that can go against LS...
Henrique (guest) - 2009/08/14 20:35

Ought to be fake

Crush Card Virus will just be released for eveyrone on TCG, and beside being a real good card, it's not broken like other ones (2x Monk and 1xRescue Cat). Solemn Judgment at 1 will just be forgotten. Dark Strike Fighter at 1 isn't that broken, but ban him is just nuts.

Don't know what to say.. I've just got shocked about the CCV thing 'cause I bought one recently haha the only thing I've got to do is wait till tomorrow.

Wakkowolf (guest) - 2009/08/14 21:16

Dark Strike at 1 IS broken. All you need is one for an OTK. If you have to bring out DSF at any other time than when it's time to win, your deck is not performing the way it should. This will definitely give decks that one extra turn against BFs, which I appreciate. The one issue now is Necro Gardna and its ridiculousness with LS...
JvS - 2009/08/14 20:57

This is totally mad.
Others is still acceptable but limiting Solemn while Dark Bribe never get affected is totally mad.
What's the point of using 1 Solemn in a deck.

DragonIncarnate (guest) - 2009/08/15 00:04

To many people use that card wrong, that would be my guess to why it went to 1.
DarkSigner (guest) - 2009/08/14 21:21

I would really hope this is fake banlist.
Bottomless at 2 ???!!
Solemn at 1 ????!
COSR at 0 and Mezuki at ?!
Gale at 1 and Whirlwind still at 3???!
Lonefire, One For One, Mind Master, Daularen?????
WTF Konami?!

guest (guest) - 2009/08/18 21:54

i think its real :O

bottomless - good this format, not quite good enough to limit tho
solemn - actually not too sure bout this one
CoSR - loops with colossal like it's its job
mezuki - with CoSR gone, u mite as well give zombies a fighting chance... still not good enough to go tier 1 imo tho
gale - just about the best tuner out there
whirlwind - do u want to kill black feathers? lol
lonefire - again, not too sure :/
mind master & one for one - they compliment eachother and both at three is basically free synchro summoning
daularen - ocg exclusive so it doesnt matter to me lol
Akira (guest) - 2009/08/14 21:27

Konami didn't limit Judgment Dragon?! Demise at 1 - totaly random!

somedude (guest) - 2009/08/14 22:20

why?

why would they limit jd. LS sucks. JD maybe broken but LS is far from a good deck.
iagreewitpersonaboveme (guest) - 2009/08/17 23:31

They freakin limit demise,but they leave JD UNTOUCHED!!!!!!!!!
DarkSIgner (guest) - 2009/08/14 21:49

Only good thing this banlist has is Dark Dive Bomber and CCV banned.

danlive5454 - 2009/08/14 22:14

GOOD?

If next month you were planning on running -1000 BW I wouldn't call it good
Makku (guest) - 2009/08/14 22:01

Keep stealing pictures from people shriek

maaaan (guest) - 2009/08/14 22:36

this list blowwwwwssss!

honestly, 1 drak strike would have been fine, 2 gale would have been fine as well.
onl good decks in this liss meta would be LS, some odd BW Graveyard(maybe), PC (sorta), and some macro thing(maybe).....
So upset......

Ryuusei (guest) - 2009/08/14 23:09

This is going to be a great format

This format is going to be very excellent and balanced, imo. Here's why:

LS didn't get hit- it didn't need to, since blackwings and synchro cat were very OP last format. Although, banning strike did hurt it somewhat.

Strike is banned- this makes it not neccessary to ban whirlwind, along with gale bieng put at 1. Lets face it, what target do you usually get with whirlwind (and don't say Blizzard.)

D.D. Warrior Lady & Breaker at 3 - these weren't really affecting the meta AT ALL at 1. Honestly, when have you seen D.D. Warrior lady in a top 8 decklist in the past year? D.D. will help balance lightsworn, forcing LS to either nuke it or risk not milling at the end of the turn, and will get rid of honested monsters. As for breaker, i don't really see the problem with him at 3- most things are chainable; icarus attack, threatening, waboku, phoenix.

Solemn judgment at 1- I think the reason this was limited was due to upcoming cards that would fill its role. Also, it will make games longer. No pay 4000 then lose because of JD and guy.

One for one is very shocking, but is neccessary due to PCM arising from the ashes due to this list.

Overall, I'd say that this won't completely be a bad list at all, nor will it be a super awesome one. I do sorta like breaker at 3 though even though I play LS, and don't use him.
MasterSephiroth - 2009/08/14 23:34

BALANCED?

This list isn't balanced at all...LS, the deck, that tops in our tournaments, isn't hitted at all...yes, you play LS, for you its a balanced list, not for normal Non-LS players. This halve year, the deck with the most money spend on (LS costs much) will win at tournaments. So why, do you think its balanced, because you play ls?...that's so selfish...
Fyga - 2009/08/14 23:57

LS has been crap through and through. Ryuusei's analysis is the truth.

You're one to talk about selfishness, your judgment was more biased than Ryuusei. In fact, Ryuusei wasn't very biased at all & has had the most logical post of all 20 comments so far. He only admitted using LS in the last sentence & that doesn't mean he completely favors it, moron; and in fact, in his statements about DD Warrior Lady & Solemn he was talking against LS not supporting it, again you moron.

Lightsworn has been an unstable deck since its release. It always manages to top but it hardly ever manages to win the huge & important tournaments, and it's always a random person who was simply lucky enough to have gotten that far to top. US always sees the same DAD & GB users topping/winning, but that's never been true of LS, it's always someone different.

That's why it practically never gets attention on Forbidden Lists, b/c it's not broken or unbalanced enough to deserve attention.
telemonkFTW (guest) - 2009/08/15 01:40

this list is horrible and the only reason lightsworn has never done anything big is cuz there was always crush
ls is practically unstoppable now
Fyga - 2009/08/15 01:51

Blame their failure on 1 card, that not even all the top decks bother main-decking?
Even w/ this list, Blackwings, GladBeasts, SalvoDAD & newer decks made from this list can keep crapping on LS.
telemonkFTW (guest) - 2009/08/15 02:47

salvo dad is dead no dsf no crush they cant win
glad beasts doesnt have solemn anymore which means they absolutely get raped by decree
the only reason blackwings was beating ls was because they could otk so easily and now they cant anymore
plus without solemns clestia will see more play and will wreck the field almost unopposed
Fyga - 2009/08/15 03:02

See now that's a fair response, I wish you had described those before instead of sounding like the others commenting hahaha. Those are definitely great points & I'm glad you said them. I can't say anymore now b/c I don't know what directions those decks will take or what decks we'll see topping, I can only guess or assume & that's not good in a debate =P So we'll just have to wait & see from here
EternalTruth - 2009/08/14 23:10

WTF?!

Card Of Safe Return @ 0 makes sense with Mezuki @ 2 to prevent mass draw loops.

Solemn Judgment @1 makes no sense at all. Black Rose Dragon didn't even deserve restriction given it's being only played @ 1 normally. Call Of The Haunted back is pretty nice and a counterbalance to MR banning once more.
Mind Control @ 1 really hurts, given the limitation on both Gale and Rescue Cat.

Chaos Sorcerer @ 2 is odd, but then again, it fits into very few good decks atm - still could fit into Zombies running trip BFaDD. Bottomless @ 2 seems unnecessary. Mezuki @ 2 again breaths hope back into Zombies.

Breaker @ 3 is a WTF?! but it's been relegated to sideboards recently and its use has declined.

If the TCG list is anything similar, I'll be playing either Lightsworn or Zombies next format.

EDIT:

@Ryuusei: One for One's limitation is more of a stopgap measure on limiting Fishborg Gunner loops.

tsog (guest) - 2009/08/14 23:26

one for one

one for one is used in frog 1tk decks (searches substitoad and fishborg gunners) and in mind master otk decks (searches mind master)
one for one can also search cyber valley and other useful lv 1 monsters
Kuriboh (guest) - 2009/08/14 23:15

Solemn Judgment at 1??

what's the point on limit this??
top decks don't use it
this only affects to Glads and non top decks
my rocks are death without 1 bottom 2 solemn 1 monster reborn
crap ban list

Fossil Fusion (guest) - 2009/08/14 23:39

What

Gotta be fake... I mean Bottomless wasn't that bad. Why unlimit Fissure and not Smashing Ground? Call of the Haunted... :\ ok then.

SOLEMN AT 1 is stupid. Cold Wave is respectable tbf.

Dark Bribe at 3 anyone?
T-Hero (guest) - 2009/08/15 16:34

Thats is fake

Really want to banned solemn, this must be fake, if TCG is very expensive so, you also half of the Life Points, compared with that Dark Bribe should be limited, this is completely unfair.
vastar (guest) - 2009/08/14 23:56

This is real ??

Shriek, are you sure this is real???

TheDarkAngelRocket - 2009/08/15 00:26

Ban Restriction List

This ban restriction list has been revealed since late April. Don't be surprised- it was meant to happen.

And if this was fake, you're saying the V-Jump is fake. Go on pojo forums cuz this has been used in the Konami tournament the past few days.

This ban list will definitely change the format a LOT than March's did. Blackwing and Dark Dive Bommer decks are taking a heavy fall.

Preslav Ivanov (guest) - 2009/08/15 00:38

Glad Beast Meta?

To begin with greetings from Bulgaria.

When I first saw the banlist I split the cards in two groups. The group of shocking limitations and the group of expected limitations. Two days ago I made a little banlist of my own and I guessed pretty much stuff. The ban of Reborn, CCV and DSF, the limit of Summoner Monk, Cold Wave and Gale, the semi-limit of Bottomless and Mezuki and the release of Destiny Draw. But now some things really shock me. First off the ban of CsoR is strange. I think that with 2 Mezuki it won't be such a big deal, counting that the chance of drawing it with every pick is 40/1 and increasing. I wanted to see Heavy Storm banned with a single Solemn, but that did not happen. Heavy will live forever! Remember my words. CCV's ban is pretty common. Nothing special. I am pretty disappointed about R Cat. I wanted to see it banned too. It is just too broken. The chance of drawing is a whole 1/40 and increasing!!! And Cat = a lot of stuff! It will be just like DaD. Finding a single spot in every deck, nicely fitting next to airbellums, samnites and new stuff from Ancient Prophecy! One for One and Mind Master were a bit of a surprise. But a needed one. Long-stream combos have the bad habit of wining games. Go a little back into the past and remember what I am talking about. Solemn at one? God is dead, people! Running a single Solemn is a suicide. Long live Satan! I want to hear what the substitute for SJ will be! Sorcerer at 2 is nice. I can think of some very broken decks, running a solo-DaD and 2 CSorcerers. And not the best part. Three limited cards being freed! 3 Breakers (imagine a little army of dudes with rapiers owning unprotected by 1201201 bottomlesses and 12121212 solemns back-fileds!). This is the balance for the Whirlwind-at-3. And warrior lady will really be useful against LS and heavier mobs. And my fav! FISSURE! I mean, fuck off oppression gadgets! Bring me old-school agro sworms with 100000 prisons, 10000 fissures and hell lot of removal. Gadgets (remember my words), Gladiators, Blackwing, Lightsworn. This is the meta. (also a single summoner in gadgets with 3 fissures seems like an interesting combo? running kycoos, assailants, warrior ladies and nuttin more!)

Wolfgang DelaSangre (guest) - 2009/08/15 01:04

My prediction

TwiLightsworn or Monarchs will be the next meta.

TheDarkAngelRocket - 2009/08/15 01:09

Re: Wolfgang DelaSangre

No doubt about that (Lightsworns I mean)
LS has been relatively untouched these last few banlists.
Fyga - 2009/08/15 01:26

Add-on to TheDarkAngelRocket

Not arguing against you Rocket, I just wanted to add to your statement b/c you said it so clearly:

They didn't have to be touched. Even though every deck around them ran into road blocks, LS still couldn't do crap about winning these last few banlists. Sure they topped but it was by random & luck, no one has been able to consistently win over & over again w/ LS.

They have potential, the problem was you could never choose when to use it; luck/chance decided for you. Good thing is now this new list might do enough damage to other decks to increase LS' luck, but that's still wishful thinking.
landmaster of the six samurai (guest) - 2009/08/15 01:09

new ban list

least they didnt ban rc my glads are happy (:

Kaikan (guest) - 2009/08/15 01:28

Again

Ok, the list is good except for skip Judgment Dragon and Honest... again.

What must happen for Konami limit JD?
- Win a SJC? The deck has not won the championship but still is a top deck, the 30-40% duelists in championships play that deck.
- Without 2 JD the LS can't work? Then what are Celestia and the others LS? Besides Monster Reincarnation and Beckoning Light bring back JD.
- Konami wants money. Yeah, that is what I am afraid. They limited Black Rose Dragon and Demise but not Judgment Dragon... even when JD is easier summonable than BRD and the nuke cost is lower than Demise.

Fyga - 2009/08/15 02:23

I don't understand the reasoning or logic to touching either.

If 30-40% of duelists use the deck, yet no one wins big in TCG--or only about 2 out of 30 tournaments are won by LS in OCG, why should the LS deck be touched?

Isn't the fact that it keeps failing over & over again despite being used by so many people be more than enough proof that the deck has a good place on each list? Why make worse what's already bad?

And no I'm not making up numbers. Since July 1st to this day on this site there have been 30 tournaments, only 2 had LS getting 1st. And only 1 other tournament listed LS in 2nd/3rd. And like you said, LS hasn't won anything worthwhile (worthwhile as in higher than Regionals) in America since it came out, not once.

And onto Honest? He's more versatile, being used in LS, STUN/Meta-Beat, Little City, Light-Zombies, & smaller anti-meta decks and yet none of those ever get anywhere except like another 2 out of 30 OCG tournaments.

People have to use some common sense & realize LS were never big threats until now (they were worthy but not big), and I'm exaggerating a whole lot b/c we haven't even seen the top decks this format will produce.

I won't be surprised at all if LS still doesn't get anywhere this list.
Bob (guest) - 2009/08/15 02:45

List

Well since the Japanese meta doesnt have Charges as of yet and wont recieve them until after the ban list the Japanese meta has been all kitty, of course we all know that. But once charge hits the japanese hopefuls i forsee an emergency Ban rolling through simply because Lightsworn will then be at full power in their meta.. But that is simply my opinion.
Kaikan (guest) - 2009/08/15 03:01

There are 2 options... you have a Lightsworn deck or you don't have that common sence that you proclaim.

- The list limited to 1 to Black Rose Dragon and Demise when Judgment Dragon is to 2. Logic? No
- They semi limited to Dulauren when I only had heard 1 posible combo with frogs and that is far far away of the top decks. Logic? No (if someone knows other combo please tell me)
- Again, no matter if LS have won or not a championship, they are still good and for that they are a top deck. Mental Master was limited to 1 and psychic decks have not won any tornament.
- I am a bit selfish here but OCG has a lot of anti light support like the ally of justice and other things meanwhile in TCG we have the only anti light mirror.
- I don't have a lot of complains with Honest but 3 is excessive for the light support.

I can see that Konami wants to take care to the LS for take profit... that's the reason of why JD and honest were not touched (I heard that TCG asked for not touch JD, Honest and Mask of Darkness but who knows) but not because they do not deserve be limited.
Fyga - 2009/08/15 08:25

My point is LS. And no I don't run LS, my deck was Cat.

My point wasn't to defend Black Rose Dragon, Demise, Dulauren, or Mental Master, it was for LS, so throwing those random cards my way doesn't do you any good in proving my points about why LS isn't touched are lacking common sense. If you want to move onto other cards or the entire list then say Konami or those who made the list don't have common sense (people do that every single time anyway); my topic was only LS & I don't see you offering any counter-argument at all.

I'll honestly admit I don't know the logic behind BRD & Demise. And for Dulauren I can only assume they're taking a halfway shot at blocking the OTK. Going only halfway like they've done many formats before such as Allure, Metamorphosis, Last Turn, Magician of Faith, Wall of Revealing Light, etc.

Re: Your 3rd point: they're still good but they're still not gaining any cheap & quick wins against other decks; they also have some major drawbacks of luck & deck-out. The point of the Lists is to prevent the use of cards that are too powerful, have little-to-no cons, or end games quickly. The entire LS deck doesn't do any of those consistently (keyword: "consistently"); they're only powerful at certain times & their quick games depend on luck.

Re: Your 4th point: Lists are based off OCG, not TCG; always have, except that 1 emergency List. Telling me you believe OCG has more anti-Light support, supports my argument that LS are fine as is & not yours.

Whether or not it's money, I'd like to see you say something not pointless about why LS should be touched, b/c again, you threw in random cards from the list instead of just targeting LS thinking it makes a difference to your point when they're just for stalling or excuses. And since when does "I heard..." mean it's a fact? You say "who knows?" but you obviously want to believe it's true as you're saying yourself it's about $; it's the only big point you have so far to prove me wrong & you don't even have proof for it, so in other words it's just another excuse.
Kaikan (guest) - 2009/08/15 09:55

XD

"they're only powerful at certain times & their quick games depend on luck"
LOL, you are right XD... you don't run a Lightsworn deck. Any person who thinks that LS decks depend of luck then does not know what he/she is talking about. Gamble decks depends on luck, Arcana decks depends on luck but no Lightsworns decks... God, you killed yourself with that comment.
"they're still good but they're still not gaining any cheap & quick wins against other decks"
LOL again... blowing the field except a monster of ATK 3000 is not cheap and quick? man, now I can understand why you don't see the problem of JD. Try to run a LS deck someday and later you can tell us your experiences.
You are going to say, "with my gladiator beasts I have beaten a lot of LS decks", but if you are not know really how the LS work then better do a research first.
See ya
Fyga - 2009/08/15 10:54

Twisting my words to try & benefit you doesn't work when I know how to think.

Haha, don't get so cocky so quick. Just b/c I'm maining Cat now doesn't mean I never used LS before (see how you lack common sense?). At your request of any time I can take a pic of my binder w/ any physical evidence you want alongside it as tangible proof; 2 JD, 3 Charge, 3 Honest, Ehren, etc. Or even a video? Go ahead & try to challenge me on that, I'll meet it. Even if it wastes my time, at least I prove another one of your terrible points wrong.

Re: First quote: I didn't address the entirety of LS as based on luck, I based their effectiveness & worthiness. Even what you just quoted said "THEIR QUICK GAMES depend on luck" not "LS DECKS depend on luck" as in the potential to OTK within a few turns as Cat decks & BW could, not their overall performance; you can't even quote right to help yourself. And how convenient you didn't quote the first half of that sentence when I stated (keyword: "CONSISTENTLY"), as in the ability to pull it off more often than not.

That 2nd quote you again conveniently left out the whole point of that paragraph, taking it out of context so it sounds like how you want it to sound. First off, "cheap & quick wins" means the standard Cold Wave Cat kill, the standard Whirlwind BW swarm kill, in previous formats the TeleDAD Synchro swarm kill & 3 Mezuki/3 Plague Zombie swarm kill. All those decks got hit by the List for being "cheap & quick," what made them different from LS? The parts you purposely left out. CONSISTENTLY dishing out 1-5 turn kills at least once in a match, which is pretty impossible to do consistently w/ the milling. There's no way you can deny w/o looking like a fool, that every single LS player runs into bad milling often, even at least 1 duel per match unless guess what? You're lucky.

I like how you first went off-topic & tried using other random cards, then you tried talking money w/o proof, & now you're taking my quotes right out of context so they sound stupid w/o the big picture, & then you look desperate making attacks at my play skills w/o knowing I can & have run a complete LS deck, & lastly you just started using "XD" & "LOL" this time & not before as though to make yourself look like you still know what you're talking about; plus the "See ya" to make yourself feel better, pretending you got the last word in.

I really have you pushed into the corner. Next comment will probably be denial and/or more attacks against my skills & I, or some "I don't care anymore, you suck" give-up talk, or give up w/ no comment at all; unless you can come up w/ a legitimate response, which you still haven't since my first comment.
Fyga - 2009/08/20 23:20

Win.

So I see I was right in predicting you will give up with no further comments at all, thinking you know your stuff when I have just proven you don't.
And I know now I was also right in saying you tried to make yourself feel better by ending your comment with "See ya," pretending you got the last word in and pretending you're too good for this talk when I've probably shaken you.
Some of us don't find LS a problem, and looking over all your previous comments you sound like--though I won't say you absolutely are--a sore loser.

Extra trivia: Black Rose Dragon did deserve the limit, b/c unlike JD, it can be QUICKLY & CONSISTENTLY summoned twice in 1 duel to clear the field for Synchro Cat's quick OTK. On average, JD takes 4-5 turns; on average in Cat, BRD takes 1-2.
guest (guest) - 2009/08/15 03:01

A reason for COSR to be banned is Level Stealer.

tsog (guest) - 2009/08/15 03:16

wow
i didn't even think of that......
an awesome card for monarchs nonetheless
u can't abuse cosr with level stealer though, unlike zombies and plants
el rigo (guest) - 2009/08/15 04:19

To all those who invested in BW & Synchro Cat & Other expensive decks

YOU TIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

Jinzoob (guest) - 2009/08/15 05:41

What?

Erm, doesn't that happen every six months?
Endless cycle.
No point to state the obvious.
Unless it makes you feel better?

And regarding the list...i think it's not so horrible once the initial shock is over.
Besides, angels weren't touched!
Haha...
firezephyr2 (guest) - 2009/08/15 12:41

ha

lmaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo u right
EvilAzn - 2009/08/15 04:56

At least D.D Monarchs have been uprooted

With Raiza, Breaker and DDWL at 3, things might get alittle interesting.

Afterall, D.D decks usually screw LS over if they start well.

el rigo (guest) - 2009/08/15 06:12

Debu Hime

Question: Can Debu Hime still survive with 2 lonefires? Maybe tech Ryko for added graveyard abuse?

Shinji (guest) - 2009/08/15 06:34

Hahaha, My deck is screwed XD

Well XD I should have seen this coming a mile away. My deck is screwed, Though of course...I have a backup :P. I just need to find some time to get back into the game and get some new cards that will cost an arm and a leg.

Honestly Blackwing decks probably didn't need a limit of gale at 1 with DSF banned though this list was both good and bad in its own ways. There are good parts and bad parts. I am surprised they didn't touch LS at all again. They are probably going to top a lot.

sabermetrics (guest) - 2009/08/15 06:37

I don't agree... period

Even though I am a LS player, I still do not agree with this list at all. I'm not biased towards one deck, and I find a lot of decisions controversial... I hope that this isn't all true(though most probably will)

Kenji (guest) - 2009/08/17 08:30

Its nice to see somebody disagree with the list once in a while. Most people just yell, "Woohooooo No more old Meta" and don't consider that just because they crushed the meta means that their decisions are "Balanced". I started a blackwing deck way before any of its Raging battle support was even announced in Japan. I just looked at them because I liked the first four, The synchro, sirrocco, Blast, and Gale. The swarming sounded really fun to me. That and my last deck, Warriors. Pretty much would get crushed later on so my build for blackwings I was working on for fun back then was my closest alternative. I did spend for a lot of the cards though I got lucky and pulled the important ones like DSF. This list...I dunno balanced in some ways and not balanced in others. I have an innovation for my BW deck but I have since quit the game because I had worked so hard in making a deck who's strategy I liked and I have a lower budget now. Besides that, I made a deck only to have it die in one ban list, the same happened with my warriors. Died in one Ban list. This list is like..WTF?! Fissure at three, Breaker at three, One for one limited (Psychic decks = OTK happy, Not OTK happy with twister.), Demise..? Eer did that need any limit? Anyways I am glad somebody disagrees with the ban list and knows its unbalanced even if their deck will be the new meta. Or old meta depending on how you look at it.
Kotori - 2009/08/15 07:37

70% Satisfied with this Banlist

The reason I am satisfied with this banlist is because they control MOST cards from the current meta (mostly aids for synchro-in quickly) like BF-Gale (annoying), Rescue cats and Mind Control and OTKs like the infamous Dark Dive Bomber OTK and Research Lab OTK (involvin Mental Master and One For One). Also, they replace Monster Reborn with Call of the Haunted, banning Crush Card Virus (can ruin all your strategies). However, I am worried this banlist may bring Lightlords, Gladial Beats, Six Samurais (being random) and Vayu-Graveyard (limiting Gale only slows speed of synchro-in in BF decks) to the current meta. I seriously do not get why cards such as Black Hurricane (free BF Reinforcements FTW), Vayu and Burial (do not get why Konami forgot this 2 key cards as it already piss of many) and Lonefire Blossom was not limited (Great bringers for Plants and get its compensated help from *cough* Gigaplants *cough*).

Overall, I am satisfied with this. Peace. ,,\/,

P.S: Anyone got reasons why Vayu and Burial was not in the Limited List?? -.-

TCGplayerD (guest) - 2009/08/15 09:27

I agree

This Ban List = Ok... yea you can all whine about the new format. but I think it's good choices. DSF needed to be banned. I have one, use one, and am now glad he is banned, he sucked the fun out of games. "ok I smack you for 5600""my turn?""wait,....Synch, DSF, GG bro"

=/ this next format will be interesting, even though I have to change almost all my decks around (lol MR)
Deathringer (guest) - 2009/08/15 10:42

Vayu not limited cos its not out at tcg side yet.it had always been like tt, with the exception of gorz.
Fyga - 2009/08/15 11:34

Nice analysis Kotori

Research Lab OTK? Wow thanks a lot for that note, I needed something/anything to use to look up Mental Master's use & I found it instantly. =P
It's interesting you brought up Six Sam. though, is it only b/c they're random or has there been something else I need to look up that has made, or is going to make, them better?

For Vayu & Burial, Deathringer should be right, but my added guess is they thought Limiting Gale was enough like when they thought Limiting Bestiari was enough for Glad. Beasts.
vvind (guest) - 2009/08/15 16:04

Vayu Turbo is also crippled with the banning of DSF

Vayu Turbo has a 60% chance of OTK with the help of DSF and Gale. Now that DSF is banned, Vayu Turbo is no longer an effective OTK deck. So I don't expect to see Vayu Turbo topping the meta after September 1st. A standard BF deck with 3 Black Whirlwinds would be much better than Vayu Turbo.
Kenji (guest) - 2009/08/17 08:51

Vayu and Burial were not on the list because DSF is banned (no OTK happy ness!). And Vayu nets you a beatstick with no effect, thats ok...But Wind is pretty right in how a Standard BF deck would probably do better than a Vayu deck. Vayu decks don't run Kalut as far as I can see. And the reason? They do not use Black whirlwind either. Vayu Turbo/Grave Synchro/ect. is a strong deck for the beatsticks but...not fast enough to kill what probably will be the new meta. Its a good deck to be sure...just not threatening enough to dominate all of the meta without effects for the BW synchros and no use of DSF.

Also...Vayu not being at the TCG side isn't relevant because the ban list is made for the OCG. And Vayu decks have been there for a while.

And...Just because the meta got crushed doesn't mean the whole list is "Balanced"..DSF = Balanced, Monster Reborn? Balanced, Crush Card? Balanced. Fissure...Wait what?! not balanced, Breaker? Not really balanced considering its pretty much one of those cards that switch between banned and limited often. One for one? Eerm Twister anybody? Touching no LS? Not exactly looking to think about the future meta right? They are sometimes inconsistent but it is a very good deck regardless and is very fast and deadly. Judgment dragon is clearly more unbalanced than Demise as well.
??? (guest) - 2009/08/25 09:37

just because its annoyingfor you doesnt mean they should get banned...i think dont you think HONEST is really annoying (unless you are running lightsworn)? he should have been at least semi limited.
Ray (guest) - 2009/08/15 08:35

...well, ain't this bull...
I think konami is blind...
DAMN LLs!!!!
BOYCOTT!!!!

theconfusedone (guest) - 2009/08/15 10:20

hmmm....

hmmmm... i can smell that chaos era is back... even greater with breaker at 3, 2 chaos sorcerer, call of the haunted
Pain 123 (guest) - 2009/08/15 13:43

The balance game ....

Konami know how to make their game balanced

No more DSF, cat, gale, mind control @ 1 means you have no more one turn kill game
D.D. now is all unlimited to against Graveyard-meta
Solemn Judgment can break your combo, but now it's @ 1
Breaker now is unlimited to help you to break Royal Oppression beatdown

=> no deck is hard to defeat now, and you'll be the winner if you are creative

sonic_slicer - 2009/08/15 13:53

WTF??

I've got mixed feelings about this list.

On one hand......

i do like card of safe return and dark dive bomber gone.
Mental master, rescue cat, gale, and cold wave down to one
black rose and lonefire is understandable

on the other hand.....

i'm mehh on crush card and chaos sorcerer

i'm pissed at the monster reborn and call of the haunted switch (especially with jinzo at 3) and the destiny draw


personal opinion time/wish list: limit some of the draw cards (like allure, solar recharge, d-draw) to one, bring back pot of greed, and try to bring some actual "balance" so other deck can be seen in play as well

Deformer Dude (guest) - 2009/08/15 15:27

KILL BFs MAN!!!

Hell, with bomber(your dark strike fighter) gone many decks are now unable to OTK, and honestly i think the only real meta deck killed with this list is cat sync. With the loss of bomber, cat, cold wave and monk. They are fragile and i think incapable of any sort of OTK. LS is still hot although at least hit Lumina? I think tt with COSR gone they think it's safe to keep Lumina, it is not??? I mean, Hello??? Lumina= 3 cards at end turn and an extra summon? And Llya should get it also, at least 2? Also for the BFs, Bora is still alive and well, and for non-meta decks like mine, tt's depressing, also with Sirrocho still at 3(not tt anyone plays 3). But limiting Gale w/o whirlwind seems reasonable enough. AND NOOOO!!!!! REBORN? How could they take the crowd favourite away??? It wasn't unfair, mainly cos everyone was using one, so why the hell???? Mezuki going semi w/o carrier(plaugespreader) going up is also quite useless, and E. tele not coming back up was abit of a surprise. Also, i can understand why Mind Master and One for One got hit. The jap version of Stardust/Buster is coming out, Tuningware will get hot. Mind Master+Brain Lab abuse is quite popular among Psyhic users.
All in all, I'm quite upset tt they killed off bomber. I can only use Power Tool now. (no prizes to the one who geusses my deck) My OTK is dead w/o bomber, and my friend's grave build is quite dead with COSR gone. I can live with the ban of CCV but really, was there a need to ban the other 3, and should or should not the BFs be more badly hit. This is from a person who once played BFs, I believe tt BFs cannot and should not stay the way they are.

Kotori - 2009/08/15 18:04

Responds to your anger

Thats the whole point why Dark Dive Bomber was banned, to prevent OTKs because it is seriously imbalanced.

Yes, even with this banlist, is possibe BF may still rule the metagame cause of Vayu and Black Hurricane being able to escaped this banlist, however, limiting Gale is already enough to lower BF's fast killing speed a lot, mainly because Gale can be special summon very easily and its permanent halving abilites, worst of all is a freaking Tuner.

I from the start knew Monster Reborn will get banned again, because is well.. free revival of your and your opponent's monster? Call of the Living Dead is also a "Monster Reborn", but it only revived your monsters and you destroy this trap card, your monster die with it and this card can be easily destroyed by a Cyclone and sealed by Royal Decree and Jinzo.

I got nothing much to say about Mezuki, semi-limiting it may speed up Undead-Synchros a lot faster.. One for One can be used in Decks such as "Research Lab/Mental Master OTK", "Synchro Support" and "Skull Servants" deck, the latest is a Savior Star Dragon Deck.. so ya is a good choice to limit it.

Even if Dark Dive Bomber was removed, there are SOME basic Level 7 Synchros such as Power Tool Dragon, X-Saber Urbellum, Black Rose Dragon (limit to 1 does not change anything actually) and Psycho Health Trancer (It can happen, I know is crazy). Advanced Requirements synchros can include the all time favourite Apprentice Magician and Gungnir, Dragon of the Ice Boundary.

Overall, you should not be totally angry over this banlist..Yu-Gi-Oh is all about using your own strategies to challenge your other opponents. :)
bakafanboy (guest) - 2009/08/16 08:09

black wings didn't get as bad as I heard it would. I heard that they would limit/semi-limit black whirlwind. So, it didn't have it's wings ripped off and kicked in the balls. But, the talons have been chipped at worse. And now, I probably have to try running my deck in a different way. Since, swapping Gale with Mistrial the shield isn't as smooth as I thought. WIsh gale was Semi...but, my friends did mention it was annoying just because it could half the attack of a monster. I would be prefectly fine if there was another lvl 3 tuner for black wings though.
bryAN (guest) - 2009/08/15 19:51

wish its not true

man i jus bought dark dive for 2 months n now its banned..
if its true i wan to quit yu gi oh

Death-Kid (guest) - 2009/08/15 20:24

...

I understand that you're upset that DDB is now banned; but seriously, anyone could see it coming, and everyone wanted it. Don't quit because one card got banned. Instead, try and sell it to someone unaware of the new banlist and see if you can make money back.

The main thing now is to work around this.
dragosix (guest) - 2009/08/15 20:17

Why Solemn Judgment?

It alwauys seemed like a balanced card to me. Focusing more on skill due to the life point drop.

RJ (guest) - 2009/08/15 20:27

Hmm...

This list is...interesting, to say the least. I'm trying to keep as open a mind as possible, which is easy for me since I don't play LS, Kitty Synchro, BW, DAD-variant, Monarch, Zombie, or even Solemn Judgment.

Even though I like Plant decks (mainly the Giga-vis swarm variant), from what I've seen of it in action, I understand the Semi-Limitation of Lonefire and the Limitation of BRD. DSF, even though I love the card (though I don't actually own one), deserved either to be banned or limited. I'm not really up to date with many OCG deck strategies involving Mind Master, One for One, and whatnot, but it is for plain to see just from tourney results here that Cat Synchro is easily the top deck. Though I don't exactly agree with crippling the deck like this list does, it's understandable.

But, what really is strange to me about this list is the Limitation of Demise. Why? I've seen so very little decks using Demise (only Salvo Demise comes to mind), DSF is banned now, and don't forget Advanced Ritual Art, the paramount Demise-summon method, has been Limited for a while. Konami nearly destroys an totally underused card, pretty much kills Cat Synchro, cripples BW, and leaves Glad Beasts and LS almost virtually untouched? Instead of worrying about stuff like Bottomless and Demise, why not JD, Honest, Necro Gardna, Herk, Gyzarus, War Chariot? I'm saying outright ban the cards, but these two top consistently (and even more so in my area's locals, more than even Cat Synchro) and you don't pay them any mind at all (aside from the Semi-Limit of JD)?

In the end, only Konami can really understand the choices here. My predictions for the next top meta decks (from this list) are LS, GB, and maybe Monarchs and Zombies.

Oh, and as for Solemn, I really don't care much for it. It's an amazing card, to be sure. I guess I'm just more of a conservative player. Everyone better stock up on copies of Dark Bribe now :)

RJ (guest) - 2009/08/15 20:31

Whoops, typo!

I meant to say "I'm NOT saying outright ban the cards..."

Sorry for any misunderstanding.
Fyga - 2009/08/15 20:44

Demise still perplexes me, but for Mind Master & One for One take Kotori's note about the Research Lab OTK. Just type it in a search engine & you'll be able to form your answer within a few minutes ;)
Kenji (guest) - 2009/08/17 08:07

Very reasonable RJ

RJ is a by far more reasonable player than most I have known. Many people like to think that any meta deck should be instantly crippled by the ban list and though that has been effective many people don't keep an open mind as to all the decks. They just throw hate at all good decks and then the ban list responds by killing the deck. Now blackwings with one Gale is dead unless you use Vayu...Even then Vayu won't be effective enough to kill LS. The list in short looks like it was made by a pissed of LS player because though it contains some bans that are reasonable (DSF) and limits that are pretty reasonable (Rescue cat, one turn synchro). It also contains limits that totally kill decks like gale at one, which should have been at two. It also conviniently excludes Judgment dragon from the list, and Charge of the Light Brigade. It also excludes GB war chariot which I think should be semi limited due to its almost cost less nature and its recycle ability with Equeste. DSF's ban was enough to slow down Synchro cat (Since that was their win condition) along with slowing down blackwings, assuming of course you semi limit gale. DSF, even though I pulled it early when it came out, is seriously broken and should be Limited or banned. I was in favor of limit because if you only have one there are plenty of ways to counter it. Bottomless, Solemn (Back then), and other cards. Other than that, One for one is confusing for me. The Psychic decks that they were used with were easily countered by siding in twisters which I KNOW everybody has in their side deck. Wait till theres enough counters and twister. Then you win. It was a fairly balanced card and if it should have gotten a limit it would be at most semi. Its not really a "Meta" card. Demise...Is confusing to me, no purpose since I have seen nobody with a demise deck. Well thats my 2-3 cents.
foxack (guest) - 2009/08/15 21:21

I think its interesting

the list seems to me interesting, this is the real list, i just went to e-bay and all the prices on the new limited forbidden cards dropped very low indeed, DSF is now around 30 bucks or less, JD is around 70 bucks and CCV at $130 so if this list would be fake, prices would still be the same, this is going to be interesting for the next 6 months, unless they do special changes during that period of time. ^ ^

SynjoDeonecros - 2009/08/15 21:49

I'm confused about some of the entries to this list.

First, why Dulauren? I've never seen him on any tournament deck list, and you'd think the stiff summoning requirements for him will deter anyone from using him (who plays Water monsters in a tournament deck, anymore?). Any explanation for this?

Second, why limit Rescue Cat? It's not that good of a monster, honestly; the only cards that make it broken are Airbellum and Test Tiger, and I know Test Tiger, at least, had been decried as broken in Gladiator Beasts ever since it was released. Do something to restrict THOSE, instead. Same with semi-limiting Mezuki but banning Card of Safe Return; Zombie decks are pretty much the only use for it, and we all know how Mezuki is abused there.

Third, why the swap-out between Monster Reborn and Call of the Haunted? I didn't see THAT much of an upturn in MR's use when it was unbanned, and now that we have Imperial Custom, Call of the Haunted is pretty much a permanent one-sided MR. I don't get the logic, here.

Fourth, One for One limited? The hell? What deck uses that? What use does it have in tournament decks? I don't understand why it's being limited.

Kenji (guest) - 2009/08/17 08:18

Second and third were justified

2) Rescue cat is a one turn synchro/tag in GB. Or Gyzarus with Test tiger in hand.
3) Call of the haunted is more balanced compared to monster reborn as it cannot be spammed like premature or revive from opponents grave.
4) One for one didn't need a limit, you were right. And even if I know how those Psychic decks work...Its called MST, Twister, Dust tornado...all of those would have worked pretty well to OTK them instead of you.
SynjoDeonecros - 2009/08/30 03:00

Here's the thing, though: Test Tiger is the main target for Rescue Cat in a GB deck, and Test Tiger's already been long established as the card that broke GB decks into tournament elite status. Rescue Cat just jumped the already broken nature of Test Tiger to insane limits. With Airbellum, it's understandable, as Rescue Cat is about the only card that can tutor it out on a consistent basis (it's too powerful for Sangan and Giant Rat, and it's 1 level shy of being useful with Summoner Monk), but Test Tiger can bring itself out for an instant tag-out if there's even 1 GB monster on your field (not that hard, really), and even with Bestiarii at 1, you can easily whip out either it or a card that can bring it out (like Darius or Equeste). Rescue Cat was kinda alright at 2; if they really wanted to stick it to GB decks, they should have limited Test Tiger.

And wasn't Call banned because of some combo that lets you spam it like Premature? I forgot what it was, but I know it was because of an easily-spammable combo that forced Call to be on the chopping block. And, like I said, now that we have Imperial Custom, it would be damn near impossible to nuke Call, so bringing it back was rather stupid, in my opinion.

I'm still confused about why Dulauren was semi'd; unless you're playing a water deck, you wouldn't have any Water monsters to use for summoning it, and I never got why people loved its card-returning power more than its ATK boost. Except for maybe Swords (which would likely be nuked before you can get Dulauren's effect off, anyway), there's not much you'd WANT to rebound back to your hand. I can see maybe using it in conjunction with something like Treasure Map for a card advantage, but other than that, there's really no use for it. So, why the semi?
Akira (guest) - 2009/08/15 21:55

Banlist is good in sense of putting Dark Dive Bomber to an end and all decks which abused it, like Rescue Synchro and Black Feathers.Gale REALLY needed Limitation as well as horrendous Cold Wave. Finally to make game slower, but for what cost?
Why Mind Master Deck is such a problem for Meta??! Why One For One becuase of this! Why Black Rose Dragon?! Why Demise?! Lonefire at 2 really hurts Plants.
Mezuki at 2 barely helps Undeads, ROTA is still at 1! And Solemn and Bottomless is just......Now we have less counters for big monsters, specially because of Lightlords and JD.OH this list would be much ,much better if Konami took care only of those top tier decks....

vastar (guest) - 2009/08/15 22:21

Yo cre que es por esto

I think konami was thinking in something like this:
- One for one, mind master: because of frog FTK, Mind master FTK, etc
- Black rose dragon, lonefire blossom: Because of debris princess deck
- Demise : Because of the new support in stardust overdrive
- Dulauren: Because of frog FTk
- No LS, because they are not threat in OCG without CoLB
well, thats what i think

Akira (guest) - 2009/08/15 22:36

To Vastar:

Why is Mind Master OTK is so powerful and such unheatlhy decks for the game as Konami thinks ( by this Banlist) , Frogs and Debris Princess??
How those Decks were problem in last meta at all ??!One For One should be Semi Limited at least, Limit is just pathetic and knowing Konami they will keep it there forever like they do with Transmigration Prophecy DX Same for ROTA and such.
Yeah Konami, let you kill more Decks like with Undeads and Psychics now.
Brain Exploatation Lab should get hit before One For One....
And look at Unlimits O__O Fissure at 3? What, gadgets back again ?! Specially without CCV? D- Draw?! At least I like this banlist becuase gives piece of hope to slower decks finally!

random (guest) - 2009/08/15 23:32

I see there are quite a number of complains about lightsworns but lets cool it and think about this carefully.

Firstly, bottomless is now at 2. But look warrior lady and breaker is now unlimited. Plus, Chaos Sorcerer is semi. This removal will be a great harassment tech tic. Lets not forget we can add kycoo and banisher for more haressment. We can also use the all time dark monarch for more removal. With Destiny draw and allures a good chaos sorcerer deck can be form. I see future for a twilight deck.

And if we are scared about honest there are always enemy controllers, compulsory, dimension prison, saketsu amour and even book of moon to stop the attack when you suspect he has honest in hand.

Ojj (guest) - 2009/08/16 00:48

WTF!? Seriously?!

....limiting Lonefire? seriously? yeah losing one isnt that bad but still I can think of a few other decks that need to be hit long before plants are even brought into question

CoolestMuthaFucka (guest) - 2009/08/16 03:08

WTF!

i hate how yugioh makes lightsworn the fucking most exspensive deck and barely even touches it with a banlist when obviously it is inconsistant, needs some help or to at least get hit by the banlist. There is no way this is the banlist that will be released. if so i will probably quit, it pretty much just makes it "if u dont run LS u will most likey 9/10 LOSE!" and i hate that. i like raiza, and i dont mind bottomless but the gale, dark strike, the card of safe return? WTF!

Chewydog - 2009/08/17 05:37

thanx to macro

yeah ALL the cards they have to send git DD'ed when macros in play. so no jd, no otk ,and no graveyard to save their ass in the end...
Jingrock (guest) - 2009/08/16 04:48

LS

Lightsworns will always be a second rate deck. Anyone who thinks this list is going to change any chances LS has is being silly. The deck type is flawed from the core.

Kotori - 2009/08/16 05:37

Clarify a few doubts

To some questions regarding why Demise was limited, is simply because of the very infamous DDB Demise OTK. Just use Demise's effect to clear the field, then synchro for DDB, then make them have a direct attack, and BOOM, your opponent got OTK-ed. So Konami noted this problem, and decided to limit Demise for safety reasons.

To all players (yes, those who are complaning about Lightlords), I wanted to say that Lightlords can be one of the Top Tier Decks once again, but there are some decks that can counter it, such as making your opponent burn more cards, the also-escaped Vayu-Graveyard and well oddly, A.O.J (Ally of Justice) are meant to counter Lightlords. And by the way, Lightlords are not expensive in OCG but they are expensive in TCG (TCG most likely balanced good cards by making them expensive, so that less people will used it).

Those who are unsure about the "Research Lab/Mental Master OTK" I mentioned earlier, I roughly explain here:
The OTK works something like that. Normal Summon a Psychic monster, then One for One can bring out Mental Master quickly, then activate Research Lab and bring out as much Psychic monsters as possible (better with the help of the activation of Dual Summon, Ultimate Offering and the effect of Research Lab). Then start abusing Mental Master's effect by paying lifepoints to release a monster on your field to special summon a Lvl 4 or below Psychic monster from your Deck. You will not pay lifepoints for the effect if you put a counter to your Research Lab. So you can mass release and special summon your monsters, here are a few monsters you can abuse by placing counters instead (Psycho Whorled for your monsters to attack twice, Power Injector to increase 500 ATK until End Phase..3 for 1500 ATK boost, Destructor to destroy your opponent's magic and trap and Enhanced Human for the huge ATK) In one turn, you can do a possible OTK, however is a risk if your opponent destroy your Lab, you will be the one OTK-ed instead.

You are still unsure, I suggest u look at videos regarding this OTK. :) Solemn Judgement was mostly limited due to one reasons (Using it when you left a few LP), Imaging your opponent left 1000 LP and he have 2 Solemn Judgement ready to negate your cards, and he can come back with his possible OTK moves, making it quite unbalanced.

RJ (guest) - 2009/08/16 16:06

RE: Kotori

I understand your logic and reasoning, and appreciate it, but I still stand by my previous assertion that limiting Demise was silly and totally unnecessary.

Why? Because Konami banned DDB in the same list! What is the point of limiting Demise simply because of this combo if the actual OTK-ing half of the combo (DDB) is banned entirely? It makes no sense to me.
Aimlessly Starring (guest) - 2009/08/16 10:40

This is the real list

it has been confirmed to be part of the VJump page this month that will also contain this month's GX chapter.

Overall the deck is understandable and it is going to change the meta (which has been sorta stale).

Speculation of banning and restrictions:

CoTR: This card has been the target of abuse for the most part of its existance, it is probably because of Level Stealer in recent set. But the OTK Frog deck pretty much is the biggest reason it has gotten itself onto the list. Strangely enough OTK Frog is the main reason why 2 other cards are on the list: One for One and Duluarn.

Duluarn, Tiger of the Ice Barrier: With the possible abuse with Symbol of Heritage in Frog OTK and the return of Call of the Haunted, along with the possibility to bounce other cards back like Sword of Revealing Light, Royal Oppression, Royal Decrees, Miracle Fertilizer. The biggest reason remain is pretty much Frog OTK - Symbol of Heritage abuse.

Lonefire Blossom: This is actually not a big shocker for me, the Gigaplant OTK deck is pretty devastating with this guy, plus the ability to search for one of the best beat stick and also one of the best tribute bait in the game might be just too much.

Chaos Sorcerer: It's not a big threat anymore.......

Buttomless Pit Trap: My guess is because, in the current format, this card is one of the best free removal in the game. Although it is a 1 for 1 trade, the monster remove by this card isn't revivable by normal means. It is probably restricted due to the current format.

Chewydog - 2009/08/17 05:34

it never was in the format today

yup the glory days of chaos deck came to a complete halt when they got banned .even if they released them today they would DIE n this format and when the list gets changed it'll get even WORSE
bryan (guest) - 2009/08/16 16:04

...

many ppl though dark dive will be restrict to 1 not banned!!
not just tat alot other cards also...
sian u tell me dun quit but all my cards friend all quit yu gi oh right away when the
list came out.. no friend to play with lia

RJ (guest) - 2009/08/16 18:35

Something I noticed...

This was the first site where I've seen the new ban list. Other sites had (and have) it posted as well, and just about all of the them are identical to this one.

This isn't an argument to prove this is the real ban list or anything, because I think the fact that it was released in V Jump proves it. This is just something I noticed about the other posted ban lists that were identical to this one, BUT with a few differences.

Everything about these "other lists" are the exact same as this, but include:
- JD = Limited
- Honest = Semi-Limited
- Mask of Darkness = Unrestricted

Out of the five or so lists I've seen (not including this one), three of them had these listed in addition to what's already here on this list. And on one, it listed the three differences with the phrase "being reconsidered" (or something like that) in parethesis next to the change, with the poster saying that Konami will confirm their status officially later on.

This was just something I noticed, and I wondered if anyone else has seen this and/or what you think about these possible changes.

DarkSigner (guest) - 2009/08/16 20:29

This banlist saves the game form DSF and OTKs but on the other hand kinda says ,,Play Twilight or Lightlords if not die,, So what if Breaker and DD lady is at 3? It is still not enough to stop Lightlords and their insane Judgment Dragon. I cannot belive people defend the fact One For One is Limited?! Limiting this card also hurts some Decks which need it.One For One isn't problem for game!!
By Konami's logic One For One, Mind Master/Lab and Frogs are way too bigger problem than DAD,Blackfeather,or such .Ugh this so much irkes me! BRD at 1? WTF, what is next Stardust at 1? LOL Konami XD

MR. 2000 (guest) - 2009/08/17 00:34

JUST WHY

So konami just kills blackwings and synchro cat then expects not to touch LS and GBS and get away with it. Some of the cards are pointless like one for one, wow sack something get cyber valley. I was at the peek today and people were selling decks binders etc because they are quitting. Wonderfull job konami bravo bravo.
Lets all pray this list is fake!!!!!
Home (guest) - 2009/08/17 03:31

I absolutely guarantee you that LS or Twilight will still not win any major tournaments this format. I guarantee this to the freaking max.
Chewydog - 2009/08/17 05:30

they can't

stardust dragon is'nt what ud call a threat if u will... an stardust is hardy even a threat to begin with all u need u macro cosmos and bottomless trap hole it while macros in play an it can't stop counter traps at all.


blackwing? yeah i knew it was gonna git hit to begin with all it took was people with a desire to win and their greedyness to boot

black rose dragon? c'mon even this was a no-brainer the effect states that it blows every thing up on the feild unless a conter trap kills it

demise king of armageddon? geartown and phantom of chaos r to blame for this one this is a VERY powerful card to even be consider worthless or usless .\
Kenji (guest) - 2009/08/17 09:05

List is never fake :P. This ban list is pretty crazy this time around MR. 2000. I can understand why people quit, I am sure a lot of players got interested in BW the first time they were released. I did too since my old warrior deck died and I had seen BW early on when the Crimson Crisis support was the only ones out in Japan. A lot of players, some of them my friends, got interested in that deck too. I made one..Then my friend made one of a sorta different build. Its natural for people to be curious in new things. Hell, I am interested in Fortune ladies and have lots of ideas for using them but...My budget is pretty much gone :P I thought the BW deck would at least last me two formats. That was a wrong guess, one format. Too bad eh?

But yeah, Selling a deck binder to quit is probably what this ban list is calling for. There are so many radical changes even to decks that really aren't that threatening. I actually quit a few months ago, but I still like to check out new cards and stuff just in case I get back into the game. I had my fun with Blackwings, being one of the first to have a COMPLETE deck. I had it as soon as raging battle came out. Including Secret rare dark armed, DSF, the Synchros, And the works. Its really too bad that a single deck wouldn't even last me one ban list. My warriors were the same, in the Tele-Dad Era I used a warrior synchro deck based off of Instant fuse and searchable tuners. It was a new idea that me and my friend thought of at the time and of course we couldn't possibly have been the first to invent it, though we were one of the first to use it. Nobody had heard of it when I started using it. And it wasn't long before lots of ppl caught on...Then the limit of Rota crippled the deck, leaving me with the Blackwing build I had written down FOR FUN. Too bad, seems I am cursed to have decks that get PWNED as soon as I make them workable. Maybe I should make a LS and GB Deck +_+. Though...If I had the resources...Might as well make a fortune lady deck =/.
Jingro (guest) - 2009/08/17 03:33

Lightsworns are flawed from the core. They can't win anything major due to the nature of the deck... unless the player is extremely lucky.

GBs on the other hand will be coming back. But with so many anti-gb cards running around they'll be easy to side against.

Chewydog - 2009/08/17 05:22

sad 2 see 'em go

but at the same time im happier that HELL that solomn get its just reward...
now i can start particpating in tornys again.

bherrell2 - 2009/08/17 05:52

This format........

Alright, this is a very unexpected list....... in a way, I like it, but I also am mad due to them limiting Lonefire Blossom, completely killing Plants and most variations. Skill Drain Plants NEEDED 3 Lonefires to fuel Pot of Avarice, other varients might not be totally dead, but the deck is back to Tier 2 for now.

Lightsworns are finally there, I mean they are finally THE TOP DECK, like Tele - DAD, not just in the mix, but actually THE DECK to beat.

Blackwings are gone, they barely lasted, but are gone already without winning a major even. Dark Strike Fighter and Gale was the deck, end of story.

Gladiator Beast are changed, the Dimensional Fissure build should be the deck to run, without Solemns they cam be a bit more reckless.

Synchro Cat is shit....... like dont even ask.......

The decks I like for this format : Aliens actually, Call of the Haunted abuse with Gol Gar, and 2 Chaos Sorcs. I also like PC Monarch, 3 Raizas brings back memories, and 3 Breakers will only ensure Raiza is that much more effective. Also, watch out for Chaos/D.D. Decks.......Zombies are maybe Tier 2 now, but without double CoSR they wont be OTKing especially with only 1 PSZ.

The Physcic OTK is hurt by the Mind Master going to 1, oh well. Another deck that never came to the TCG........

Its a good list for people looking to get better and maybe top an event, this format is definitely in for a ride.

~ bherrell2

Chadg (guest) - 2009/08/17 06:14

you do realize

blackwings have vayu now which if you have seem a vayu deck work its enormus swarm of beat sticks does major damage, and as far as blackwings not winning a major event they just won SJ Indianapolis as well as worlds.
Kenji (guest) - 2009/08/17 09:11

He probably didn't know, chill out. I did know they did very well but when I started making the deck I had no idea that they would be that powerful. Before I knew it I finished the deck and a lot of ppl were going crazy because it was so powerful and winning lots of tournaments. However, I didn't think they would die that fast XD. From what I have seen many meta decks that were archetypes were pretty untouched by Konami through its history. Or recieved support that helped overcome bans. LS (Luck based sorta, Might or might not win tournaments. Very powerful regardless), GB's (Duh? Always been a top deck, never hit hard enough...though makes me wonder? Why pick on the new deck rather than get rid of the old? Oh well right?)..Same as always.

LS and GB = yugioh at its finest. Time to quit :P. It seems they Just don't like hitting those two decks that much, but hell..Somebody will think of a deck that's better than those two, just watch *thumbs up*.
Sho Shinjo (guest) - 2009/08/17 10:06

New Banlist

Hey there, greetings from Mexico.

I was a bit surprised with the banlist. I saw it when it came out, but just decided to comment xD

Crush Card Virus banned. I actually feel that's a good move. Some decks were deemed unplayable because "Crush kills it". It's incredibly easy to slip Crush into basically anything, and it has a very potent effect that gives disruption, advantage and telegraphs your opponent's hand and draws for 3 turns, maybe even screwing it. Devastation and Erradicator are harder to play (because you need to devote a bit to using them, and you need to lose either a very powerful monster or a crappy creature that you're playing only for the Virus), but Crush was like "just play Sangan, a pair of Crows and Reaper, then slip Crush", and it worked. I'm a Dark player, and I liked Crush, but I won't complain on it being banned.

Dark Dive Bomber. Necessary to prevent so many OTK's and "burn for game" tactics. It's unfair that you're defeating your opponent with skill and tactics just to have them burn you 8000 damage in one turn. If DSF was a "once per turn" card, it'd have been ok, but being as he is, it was a huge evil.

Monster Reborn. We all saw it coming, actually. You can complain everything you want about Jinzo, but Monster Reborn is far more powerful. It can't be activated onto the Battle Phase, but can steal opponent's monsters too. It also can revive anything without the worry of Cyclone or Dust Tornado ruining it, and being a Normal Spell without cost means that you can play it as soon as you get it into your hands. Call is very powerful on its own. Besides Jinzo tactics, being able to bait Cyclone/Dust/Breaker/anything into a Critter search or Card Gunner draw and the ability to have a huge wall from nowhere or an extra attacker for the Battle Phase is awesome. Still, if the monster isn't destroyed, Call stays on the field, blocking Gorz. It's more balanced IMO.

Card of Safe Return. Well, if Mezuki and similar were too powerful with Safe Return around, then ban Safe Return and let them do what they were meant to do. Without Safe Return, Zombies can swarm, but if their swarm is blocked, they can't come back because they consumed their resources, something that is balanced. Some other builds also benefited on this, allowing them to spend as many cards they wanted to revive monsters, since those resources were replenished. It's a very narrow range of decks that can use this card, but these few decks were too powerful with it.

Demise. I actually think it's because of SOVR. The Ritual supports there make Ritual Summoning Demise the right way a lot more appealing. Having an opponent with a 2400 ATK monster that prevent your Special Summons, draws a card when it kills your monster, can't be targeted by anything and can clear the field at will just because it can isn't funny at all. Limiting Demise will make the combo harder to do (although there's Zorc left, which has a built-in Thunderbolt... But it doesn't clear the backrow).

Rescue Cat, we all saw it coming, as well as Summon Priest (although the second one can be debatable: without Synchro Cat, it's not the threat it used to be). The kitten is still a good card, just not godly. I was surprised of Mind Control not being restricted before. On this Synchro era, it was like having Change of Heart in threes. Mental Master and One for One were limited as preventive measures, so it's OK. Even if those OTK's haven't won championships, it's only because players running that don't bring these types of builds to tournaments because they already know that they'll be called cheap and dirty for playing those.

Gale, IMO, suffers of the same sickness as Zombie Carrier: having 2 it's just as good as having 3. Having only 1 severely limits its playability though. It's also the most splashable Tuner of all (more than Carrier itself), and it packs a VERY good battle-related ability. Permanent ATK halving isn't fun at all. Being a DARK under 1500 ATK made it Critter-friendly, and Black Whirlwind made it just mean. Having only one means that BW players now must devote some slots to retrieve Gale, or switch their strategy. It also makes them more vulnerable to D.D. Crow, which is a plus to stopping their explosiveness.

Cold Wave is a very double-edged card, but for some decks that doesn't really need spells and traps to work with, it was everything they needed for an OTK. It's very annoying not being able to play Spells and Traps when your opponent just do as they please. You could only rely on they not having the tools to OTK you yet, or having Gorz/Tragoedia in hand, both of which are merely luck-based events. Cold Wave at 1 gives players the chance to come back and fight.

Black Rose Dragon was limited because of the "if you don't have DSF, then you go for the next best option" thing. Some decks can produce Lv7 Synchros rather easily (in fact, more easily than a LS Deck can drop out JD), so letting them clear the field at will wasn't an option. I think it'd be fine as it was though, but well. I'll miss my other copies x'D

Solemn Judgment was hit because of overuse more than anything. When you played in a tournament, you either played Solemn, or played around Solemn. You couldn't go and expect not seeing it. Although it's one of the cards that require the most skill of all (since you misplay a Solemn and you'll lose for sure), it's also a swiss knife that allowed you to stomp over an opponent and not letting him/her coming back, no matter what they did. Solemn also made games shorter, since in matter of turns, you burnt 4000-6000 of your LP. Solemn at 1 will guarantee it's drop in usage (since only one isn't worth it until late game, most players will drop it), will make unbreakable combos breakable, will make games longer and will force players to think a little bit more on what they put on their decks instead of saying "just throw 3 Solemns on it and you're done". Still, I think they should have left Solemn alone, it takes a lot of time to learn to play it well (personal experience: I didn't won with Solemn until I honed my skills up to the point I knew what was worth negating). Dark Bribe isn't touched because it only displays its full power against limited cards, and you're letting your opponent replace their card.

Bottomless was hit, again, for overuse. It's a good idea still, because it's pretty annoying that you can't summon anything without it being removed from play xD The destroyed monster cannot be revived or retrieved by conventional means and it hits any type of Summon, making it pretty deadly. Lonefire was reduced to 2 to prevent Plant swarming with Symbol of Heritage and such. It also fueled Pot of Avarice almost by itself, and was the basis of the Debri-Hime build. With it at 2, it severely hinders the deck's performance (or kills it totally). Dulauren was semi'd for prevention, more than anything. Having 2 instead of 3 copies of it on Extra Deck also means that pulling combos with multiple copies can only be done once. If it's screwed, then you don't have another chance.

Chaos Sorcerer was semi'd because, honestly, nobody plays him xD He's still a pretty strong card, but we have better and faster cards these days. Sorcerer is also a counter measure to LS, since it can RFG the lone copies of some monsters, hindering JD a lot. Some can also argue that Twilight gets stronger, but messing too much with the LS count on the deck will render the deck too unstable and unplayable (more than it already is).

Without Malicious at 3, Destiny Draw isn't that dangerous at 3. Usually, the best targets for it clog the hand horribly, and without CCV, Fear Monger and Doom Lord aren't very attractive. Fissure is left out because the format doesn't revolve around 1 for 1 trades anymore. Besides Gadgets (and that's debatable), you won't find a Deck that wants to play 3 Fissure, having more powerful options at disposal. With the ruling change on Baboon (he can't activate in Damage Step), his power just went from "awesome" to "good". He's not dangerous anymore, since battle can't trigger him.

Breaker and D.D. Warrior Lady were unrestricted totally because they don't impact the meta at 1, as someone already said. On their times, they were so awesome that they got to be limited. But with so many chainables, Breaker isn't as good as he was. With so many decks depending on their Graveyard and battle tricks, DDWL is just what we needed. She's searchable by a lot of means, and can disrupt effectively what the meta is right now. It doesn't matter if you're attacking or defending, DDWL WILL remove it, whenever you want to remove it. Raiza is the final card unrestricted, and he deserved to be. Since the formats got faster, Raiza's abilities wasn't what they were. People weren't afraid of being "-1'd" and locked for a turn. People were afraid of being OTK'd or burned to death. While that has been hampered a lot with the list, the fact is that Raiza can be played in threes without having the same impact as it had when it came out. Spin is still a very powerful mechanic, but the fact that cards like Judgment Dragon doesn't mind being spun and the amouunt of Special Summoning done right now, he's not the threat it used to be. It's still a very dangerous threat IMO (even more combined with Phoenix Wing Wind Blast), so let's see if it does remain as a past relic or wreaks some havoc.

While some can argue that Lightsworns weren't touched, I can only say that if they haven't done a thing about it, it's because nothing is needed. Sure, OCG doesn't have Charge of the Light Brigade, but they will soon have. And while a lot of players play Lightsworn (and to the dislike of some, is still one of the best decks around), the innate explosiveness of the build is what limits them the most: they can draw HORRIBLE hands as frequently as they can OTK. The milling makes difficult to base the deck on probability and with that, makes the deck hard to manage to begin with, because you can't manipulate your deck like you would with Black Whirlwind in BW's, Armageddon/Grepher in DARK builds or D-Draw in a D-Hero based build. Having to adjust your strategy each turn because during each End Phase you mill your deck and lose cards you might have wanted to play (and that dependind merely on luck) is very tricky, and very few players can actually master this. Playing against a time clock isn't good either: you know what you're doing, or you WILL deck out. You can argue all that you want against Judgment Dragon (I myself see him overpowered, and wanted him axed to one), but the fact is that while LS has (arguably) the most powerful card on the format and the most powerful deck-thinners in both monster and spell form, it's also the deck that can suffer the most because of its core mechanics. It's also the hardest deck to side with: no matter what you side in, it will probably get milled. Other builds can switch cards, knowing that their core strategy won't be hurt and they will be able to draw the cards and use them eventually. Messing with the LS count to add anti-mirror tech (like Breaker, DAD or PoC) WILL hurt your build too, so Side-Decking with LS is a real challenge. That's why Konami didn't touch them, or at least I think so.

And, that's all, sorry if that was a long comment x'D

tl;dr

I like the banlist. Although I lost CCV, Solemn and DSF, I really like it xD

ZeroFrame (guest) - 2009/08/17 16:29

wow a great comment by sho shinjo!!!
Loki (guest) - 2009/08/17 18:39

Well said.

You've spoken the truth. Hopefully others will see the points you are making. This will be a very interesting format for sure.
Kenji (guest) - 2009/08/17 19:14

Nice comment Sho Shinjo

Most of the points are fairly true, Gale should have been at a semi limit in my opinion but it is true that having two would be as good as having three (I had backup cards in case it went to two). However, even if two doesn't kill the deck one severely limits its use and kills blackwing decks. As you said its pretty much the same with zombie carrier. Most hardcore fans of BW players might edit their deck to be Vayu based however that is an expensive endeavor. Chances are those who are playing the deck just for the wins will grab some LS cards or whatever appears to be the new meta.
alapharm - 2009/08/17 17:45

list looks real...CCV banned?? been out in Japan for years..as a COMMON...many OCG decks don't even run it...hmm. I can see much of the other stuff...some I like, some not so much...will be interesting to see what new builds come out of this...LS and GB will be tough..

DarkSigner (guest) - 2009/08/17 19:11

I agree Sho Shinjo's comment is amazing.I will give this banlist and next format a chance, specially becuase this meta greatly caters minor Tier Decks XD
I am not sure how Lightlords can be ''easily counterable'', specially now when Bottomless is at 2 and Solemn at 1.Still they have insane Judgment Dragon - no matter what this card deserves to be Limited.Lightlords willl be Top Tier for sure.
Raiza and Warrior Lady at 3 really irk me, Raiza means horrible lockdown of draw phase and Warrior Lady is annoying too.Hopefullyy these two won't be so annoying as I think they will be lol XD
Anyway I expect Konami to fix some stuff, like putting ROTA at 2 or One For One to 2 and such.

Sho Shinjo (guest) - 2009/08/17 20:28

LS Counters

Thanks for the compliment xD

As for Lightlord countering, you actually have lots of options.

Bottomless and Solemn still are pretty good counters, even with less copies. Light-Imprisoning Mirror and Allies of Justice are excellent too. You can try Divine Wrath too. It gets rid of Lyla and Lumina before they can be a trouble. It trumps over Honest, and prevents JD from blowing everything. The discard is negligible, just play Wrath instead your Wind Blasts and you're up. Royal Oppression + Imperial Customs is awesome too: it basically says "screw Lyla" xD Without the worries of Lyla (and the fact you don't need 4000 LP to protect it), JD and Wulf aren't a trouble. Even Celestia can't blow it up in one shot.

Mind Crush just rapes them. Wait until their Beckoning Light resolves, then activate it. Trap Dustshoot also hurts them a lot: can turn a good hand into a crap one. Karma Cut is awesome against LS too. If you're able to hit a LS with multiple copies on the Graveyard, your opponent will be screwed. If you can hit multiple Luminas or Lylas, then you'll have an awesome edge against your opponent.

D.D. Warrior Lady at three and Sorcerer at two also hurts them, a lot. Aurkus can protect them from Sorcerer, but can't do a thing about Warrior Lady. She can't be stopped by Honest (and can use Honest herself), so there you go. D.D. Assailant is equally annoying to them. Or you can use D. Fissure/Cosmos, just be wary of Lyla and Breaker xD Caius also helps a lot with the removal, and Dimensional Fortress Weapon just don't let them mill ever.

While I said JD doesn't mind being spun (and it really doesn't), things like Lyla or Lumina DO mind about it. With Raiza and PWWB at 3, you can perform a Spin Lock, hindering the build's capacity to mill. Without milling, LS can't get their engine going. And using Wind Blast against the Lumina + Garoth play to get off Lumina, then spinning Garoth with Raiza is just mean xD

Now, if you want some generic counters, big defenses annoy them a lot. Jujitsu Master is something they'll always curse hitting, while GK's Spy provide reliable tribute/Synchro fooder while being able to resist the hits. Ehren can pass over Jujitsu but not over Spy, and they either let you tribute or waste an Honest, which is equally good. Kycoo the Ghost Destroyer is also a great card against them, since it removes monsters (reducing the LS count) AND blocks Necro Gardna. You'll only have to worry about Honest, but that can be played around. Combine Kycoo with Mind Crush and you're up.

So, even with LS being the only build "untouched" (they were hit by the list: it's just that the impact isn't obvious. They cannot burn for game with DSF now, so Carrier will be dropped, most likely), we have a lot of counters to them.

And no, RotA at 2... I want, but no. Not with Warrior Lady at 3 existing at the same time as Assailant at 3. Just no xD
Akira (guest) - 2009/08/17 19:22

Some limits, like Solemn at 1 and Bottomless at 2 are JUST STUPID.What Konami wants with this?! Make countering powerful cards (e.g Judgment Dragon and such) EVEN HARDER?! Ugh.....

Jing (guest) - 2009/08/17 19:57

Force

They want you to use more situational cards instead of the all rounders.

Cards like Black Horn of Heaven.
Akira (guest) - 2009/08/17 20:08

I am not so sure how those ''situationals'' can be so effective.
THis would have been good banlist if weren't things like:One For One, Lonefire,Solemn,Black Rose etc.Not to mention very crazy unlimits like Raiza,Breaker or Warrior Lady O__O Raiza=lockdown is back!

CylentShadow (guest) - 2009/08/17 22:19

Im pretty sure its a fake list

It makes no mention of DMOC or magician of faith. its either fake or incomplete.
Jing (guest) - 2009/08/18 09:41

Of course situational cards aren't going to be better than all rounders overall. Why would you think otherwise.
alapharm - 2009/08/17 22:46

i don't see DMOC ever coming back, nor MOF either...i think the lists are only changes made....

random (guest) - 2009/08/18 03:23

Why are you people complaining about lightsworns? Yesterday, I fought a deck based on this banlist and my lightsworn deck was raped totally. He had 3 warrior lady and 2 Chaos Sorcerer. It was a partial fortune lady deck. Especially, with cold wave limited it was rather hard to otk. My lightsworns keeps getting removed. He had allure and fortune future and could draw with ease. Giving him hand advantage. Even with judgement dragon down, he could later use kinka byo pull back lighty and magicial dimension and summon firey blast it or remove it with chaos sorcerer. With lighty or darky removed, he can fortune future... With 3 breakers, my traps almost wouldn't stay. As we know compulsory, works extremely well with lighty in quite alot of situations.. At the end of the day, I am just trying to say is that. Keep an open mind, lightsworn may not necessary owns...

zombie cat (guest) - 2009/08/18 04:37

Not my blackwings!

BW decks are cut deep with this, though Vayu might, just might, be able to save the deck(I hope)
Lightsworns really aren't so much of a problem these days so it doesn't matter that they weren't touched
Gladiators may be making a comeback with Synchro Cat and Blackwings crippled
Zombies got Mezuki at 2 which is good, but were screwed even worse with DDWL at 3, Chaos Sorceror at 2, and COSR Limited, Mezuki won't matter now, WL or CS will either remove it or any good targets for its effect and they won't have their hand advantage from COSR
Chaos decks might be making a comeback, Sorceror at 2, DDWL and Breaker at 3
banning CCV just when TCG is gonna get it in the Turbo Pack is pretty messed up, though it's a big middle finger to anyone who bought 1 for $300
While this list screws me greatly, I like it as it is more of a challenge to make a deck now

ZeroFrame (guest) - 2009/08/18 09:16

well.... cause vayu just out in tcg,.. limmiting them seems imposibble... but.. just hope he doesn't get semi or limmited in the next 6th months... batter prepare y'all..
6thChild (guest) - 2009/08/18 15:19

My thoughts

Well, to be fair, I had some mixed feelings about this list.
First off the bans.
Everyone agreed that DSF had to go, but I just had this nagging feeling that it would remain at one. I don't know why I thought that, maybe they would ban everything else? I dunno, but I guess even owning one, I'm glad it's gone.
CCV makes sense, I wasn't expecting this ban with it hitting the TCG now, with it being around the OCG for so long, I just didn't see it coming. Once again, it's gone, it can't be any worse. I actually didn't own one of these, and was trying to get one, I guess it just saved me a lot of money.
Card of Safe return was a bit random, to me at least. But looking at OCG decks and strategies, it does make sense, so no love lost, I actually tended to rather like it, but I understand the need for the banning.
Monster Reborn being swapped with Call of The Haunted was also a bit random, but once I sat and thought about that one for about 5 minutes, it made a lot of sense. I've made peace with that.
For the restricted cards, well, it's a little different.
I played Cat, so seeing Cat at one and Monk at one is a bit of a sad story. Nonetheless, everyone saw them as threats and they are very powerful, so I guess it's up to me to accept it and build a new deck (with triple breaker, and 1 cat and trip airbellum?)
I honestly thought they wouldn't do much to Gale, I thought it would maybe be at 2, but I would have loved to see Whirlwind at 2 as well, or at least a ruling change to not make it stack. Nonetheless I kept getting trounced by blackwings at my locals, so I guess it's a bit of a guilty pleasure to see them sweat a little. All I can say though is good luck, and let's hope I don't get trounced by Vayu instead.
Demise was random - made sense with the new support though.
Mental master and One for one were to prevent the OTK's, while not expecting it cause it was an OCG deck, I can't blame them for slowing down or stopping OTK's, that's what the ban list is FOR. To stop the things that can OTK people, with them being able to do little about it (yes, I know twister... but what if you get unlucky, and he gets very lucky? it happens a lot to me)
Mind control.... umm, well, I kinda spent a lot on mine... then they came out in gold series... then they got restricted... THANK GOD! They were horrible.
Solemn... I looked at one of my buddies. Still got your set of solemns? Yes. Good, with DSF gone, we'll get to spam them like bitches again. Then it went to one... hurray? guess it makes sense, plus, it does slow down GB a bit... they're only VERY annoying now (I used to play them, don't lie ppl, you love screwing over the opponents)
Cold Wave... This one was interesting, since I played Cat, I played them, I also used to play them with Glads, I knew they were good, but I never though they were THIS good, one of my friends told me he wanted to see it gone, I didn't pay attention, but I guess it happened, once again, since I have to take cat apart anyway, whatever
6thChild (guest) - 2009/08/18 15:45

ARGH

I wrote a long ass post after that, but APPARENTLY misspelled the word, so screw it, let's just say I love most of the list, and what I don't like make sense so I won't bitch. except D-draw which is broken as shit, I don't care, too good at 3, even with mally gone, it just fuels draws like crazy, and Raiza, which I hate, and you will too after you get locked multiple times, I need to make a side deck now, excuse me
Jenova`s_Witness (guest) - 2009/08/19 04:26

Honestly, I hope this is the real deal. The formats with uncontrollable OTKs are shitty formats, and this list will fuck over Synchro Cat and Blackwings, with just a touch of hurt on Glads and other Solemn-heavy decks.

Konami, if this is the real banlist, I take back all the shit I said about you. Period. This banlist is BEAUTIFUL!!!

And for all you Meta-playing money duelists -- HAHA YOU GOT FUCKED!!!!!!!!!

Renesis (guest) - 2009/08/19 12:53

Change

Read it and weep. Quit your complaining, stop getting butt hurt just cause your deck now considered dead, better beleive it, this is the new banlist, hahaha

qwerty (guest) - 2009/08/19 12:59

Monster reborn no more?

YESSS, finally, call of the haunted is back!! was waintin for monster reborn to get banned, fcken hate it when ppl steals my monster, shoot, they have thier own... lol

Kotori - 2009/08/19 16:26

LOL

Agree, it is really annoying when people steal my Goyou Guardian or Stardust Dragon in my Graveyard, and use their effects against me! -.-"
Statistic (guest) - 2009/08/20 15:24

LOL LIGHTSWORN

DSF is broken. It being banned is 200% necessary. People who sit here and complain how Konami is so bad for banning it is about retarded. It is something Konami is doing RIGHT. CCV being banned is better over all. No card with that much power should be in the game, not even at 1. Just the fact of seeing your opponents hand a lone with CCV is far too good. Not a terrible list, but not amazing either. Overall the list seems random to me. Solemn at 1, Breaker and D.D. Warrior Lady at 3. Lightsworn not even touched at all. Chances are Lightsworn will be touched, someway somehow. The list is not real as far as I am concerned.

Steven C (guest) - 2009/08/20 19:21

This List Makes No Sense!!!!!!!!!!!!

they have call of the haunted at 1, but they ban monster reborn
dont they kno call of the haunted is worse, cuz u can play it on ur opponent's turn, unlike reborn
and they semi-limit chaos sorcerer(idk y they did)
they ban DSF(glad i didnt buy 1 or id be rdy 2 fight them lolz)
breaker is at 3(which is gonna be gay as fuck)
and my favorite plant, lonefire, is at 2
however there are good things on the list, such as the unlimiting of raiza and d-draw, so they had good things in mind(just those things obviously lol)
in my overall opinion, this list sucks hilarious balls, and i hope that konami willl understand y when they see sales in yugioh cards decline drastically

Enrique (guest) - 2009/08/21 01:22

This list kills too much decks

I was reading the list and there is some reasons for this... First, the top 8 decks in World Championship Yu gi Oh was Blackwings, Synchro Cat and Gladiator Beast. First, the engine for glads is cold wave to protect from spells and traps for and turn and gain +1 summoning as quick as yoy can two or more glad monsters, then, in next turns solemn judgement stops you opponent and given the glads player a real advantage. Second, the engine for synchro cat it´s summoner monk, givin´the chance to synchro summon two synchro monster, maybe Urbellum and Dark Strike Fighter (Dark Dive Bomber for Japan). Banning MR is other way to stop the OTK decks like Blackwings and Synchro Cat ´cause if you have one more magic in hand can use MR to summon one more time a SMonk, discard magic and synchro summon again... BlackSalvo Deck likes me too much but was a real headache ´cause the one turn kill... Just think about using Jinzo again with Call Of the Haunted, Raiza, Destiny Draw and the Perfect Circle Deck, and finally, Lightsworn Suck... still i don´t understad why the JD has no changes...
PatConnelly (guest) - 2009/08/29 01:30

Makes Sense.

This list makes perfect sense.
Banned:

Reborn is gone cause there trying to slow down the meta, cause think about it they unlimited breaker, why? Because of "Call of haunted", you couldnt really stop MR before, but now with breaker at 3 it can kill "Call" and thus killing what replaced MR.
DDB, is self explanatory, to be honest i dont even see why they released this card, they obviously knew it was going to be banned very quickly.
Crush card, with a slow meta crush can really hurt decksl, it would be kinda hard to recover from a CCV now and just think they're trying to make the format a Monarch format agian and CCV kinda kills monarchs.
COSR, this was a good ban and its all thanks to "Level stealer", with them trying to make this a monarch format, this card would make monarch decks totally unstopabble and thus no one would play anything else.

Limited:

Demise, look up this card, "Preparations for the Ritual"
Mental master, supposibly there is a cheap field spell coming out for these guys, which would make this guy a OTK possibility.
Cat, is self explanatory.
Mind control, agian self explanatory.
Gale, same shit different pile.
One for one, now this card is not even cheap(yet) my guess is some crazy card is coming out for it, oranother suggestion is they dont want this card fetching out treeborn frog to quickly.
Solemn, they're slowing the format down, this card would be like CCV it would be a game ending card.
Summon priest, has too many combos now, it was only time.
Cold wave, this card benifited way too many great tier one decks.
Black rose dragon,just look up the new "Spider"monsters coming out in "Stardust Overdrive", and you should know, this also covers lonefire blossem.
Call, i've already explained this.

Semi:

Bottomless, this card was the most powerful trap card out there, of course something happened to it.
Dulauren, with the format slowing i guess they dont want people re-using Swords very often, or as much.
Lonefire, covered.
Chaos, fuck, why not, its not like hes too dangerous anymore.
Mezuki, they felt bad because every list that passes they criple zombies very horribly and i guess with thier main card(cosr) gone they dont see much harm in this guy.

No longer:

Raiza, slow game down, monarch control.
Desinty draw, im guessing so people dotn completly abandon, the most successful tech out there.
Fissure, i guess to get rid of the big attack monsters such as MONARCHS!!
Breaker, covered(i can see spellcasters becoming a threat now)
Green baboon, with Cat limited and the new ruling of this guy, hes not much of a threat anymore.
D.D.W.L, its kinda for and agianst the fact that they didnt even touch LS, and the fact that reinforcment is limited makes her not that big of a threat a "one for one" or whatever people call it these days.

All in all, this is a fantastic list, i love it, this will be like the old days, the good days.
Noobster (guest) - 2009/08/21 12:55

It's official

looks like i'm back in the game.....getting dsf otk was depressing and all but now the only the things stands in my ways is figuring out what to replace the two solemns...

Kaiser (guest) - 2009/08/23 13:37

Hm...

The more I see this list, the more amused I am at Konami for it. They make OPed cards which people 'need' to buy or risk losing most of the time, and then ban/restict/kill it in the next format. But the list Itself is quite clear.

NO MORE OTK DECKS. They want a slower format this next 6 months.

Most(If not all) OTK decks are always hit. Read banlists and you know I speak nothing but the truth.

Now, people will be comparing with the most powerful deck this format, which would be LightSworns. There are ways of dealing with them which are already covered.

??? (guest) - 2009/08/25 09:44

wat the fuuuuckkk konami, wat the fuuuucckk!!!, that was a bitch move dropping blackwings like that and upgrading lightsworn with chaos sorcerer, that was a really bitch move that doesnt make sence at all and for this reason you will loose a lot of players that was really looking forward having fun playing Yu Gi Oh! with blackwings, but no, you guys decided to messed that up, lightsworns are already good enough with this new card "shining "C" or something, but no, fuck the blackwings and now for all the lightsworn players, go out there and win everytime you play, is like konami got prostituted, this is so not fair, this is no fun at all, and i am one of the thousands player konami is going to loose forbeing such a bitch, fuck u konami, fucking eat a dick...i fucking hate yu gi oh and konami...im burning all of my cards...
??? (guest) - 2009/08/25 09:49

it hurts for all the top tier decks exept for lightsworn, i dont get it, the poeple of konami are the only ones that can understand this, honest didnt got touched, JD didnt got touched, chaos sorcerer went up to 2, i dont undertand and i just like a lot of other players will really get deppressed by just watching the ban list, ...it is just not fair and not fun...
Vast (guest) - 2009/08/27 01:08

Chaos control

let's be honest, either a pot turbo or some build of chaos control will be hitting the tournament scenes. I mean sure some of these cards surprise you but you have to understand konami has the list to the japanese format for the most part. They made the list to help out balance their format and to prevent future brokenness in the american format. They're releasing duel terminals here soon in america so we'll be getting the DT promos and be able to do the frog otk among some other things.

Point blank, the list konami made is for their format that they have presently and it shapes what our format will be in the future since they are a couple of sets ahead of us alongside with some easy to get promos. It's pretty much like how we only had the supreme broken DDT builds at st. luis before the new list hit back when. That's the best example I can throw out there.

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