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Banned and Restriction List 「禁止・制限カードリスト」

Listed are only the CHANGES


//Credit for the pictures to mitsu713
03/01/2009

Forbidden Cards 「禁止カード」:
none

Restriction Cards 「制限カード」:
Chaos Sorcerer 「カオス・ソーサラー」 
Gladial-Beast Bestorourii 「剣闘獣ベストロウリィ」 
Goyou Guardian 「ゴヨウ・ガーディアン」 
Zombie Carrier 「ゾンビキャリア」 
Dark Armed Dragon 「ダーク・アームド・ドラゴン」 
Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Boundary 「氷結界の龍 ブリューナク」 
Mezuki 「馬頭鬼」 
Urgent Teleport 「緊急テレポート」 
Card of Safe Return 「生還の宝札」 
Reinforcement of the Army 「増援」

Semi-Restriction Cards 「準制限カード」:
Goblin Zombie 「ゴブリンゾンビ」 
D-Hero - Diabolic Guy 「D-HERO ディアボリックガイ」 
Raiza the Storm Monarch 「風帝ライザー」 
Green Baboon, Defender of the Forest 「森の番人グリーン・バブーン」 
Destiny Draw 「デステニー・ドロー」
Gold Sarcophagus 「封印の黄金櫃」 
Allure of Darkness 「闇の誘惑」 
Ultimate Offering 「血の代償」 
Mind Crush 「マインドクラッシュ」

No longer restricted 「準制限」:
Manticore of Darkness 「暗黒のマンティコア」 
Twin-Headed Behemoth 「ドル・ドラ」 
Phantom of Chaos 「ファントム・オブ・カオス」 
Book of Moon 「月の書」 
Nobleman of Crossout 「抹殺の使徒」
CKD (guest) - 2009/02/17 09:35

Are you kidding me?

I have nothing to say for this banned list. I can just say wow.

Amon (guest) - 2009/02/17 09:36

WTF?

This is just sad. And sickening. The rumor mills were created by people who were really high... only for us to see that Konami has, once again, outdid itself in the stupidity department. No new bans, oh so many additional Limits and Semis... words don't say how much this shit has been fucked up this time.

And yes I am aware of the Baboon ruling change... but still, what in the blue mother fuck is THIS.

blarg (guest) - 2009/02/17 09:56

ebuwhat?

Seriously, are they even trying anymore?

And what`s up with twinheaded behemoth at 3?
That card was banned for game mechanic reasons, so how do they expect us to work with it in multiples?
danierulynx - 2009/02/17 11:10

A new ruling has been issued regarding Dol Dora (TCG: Twin-Headed Behemoth) which states that its effect can only be used once throughout the entirety of the Duel. Period. In other words, even if you're running three copies of the card, its effect can only be used once between those three copies. Once only, not once each.
Sirian (guest) - 2009/02/17 11:19

Thats exacly the reason he was limited...

If you have 3 Bhemonth and 2 have activated, now he Shuffels them into the deck with any card effect. From that point on you wont know whether or not a Behemoth the goes into the graveyard had its effect activated once. Thats why he was on 1, I wonder what they gonna do against that...
Amon (guest) - 2009/02/17 10:12

A rulings change, obviously.

And to think I have to come back to the game with THIS bullshit to work with... Lightsworn and Glads are going to the least of our worries, folks.

M (guest) - 2009/02/19 22:57

the ban list jus made the game more skillful
Droo (guest) - 2009/02/17 10:23

What is so wrong with this list? tele-dad is severely crippled, GB's won't dominate again, and Zombies were held back from becoming the new tier 1.

Boohoo LS is tier 1 for once.

Etc (guest) - 2009/02/17 10:33

LS has been top tier pretty much ever since it's release... I don't see why they did so much to cripple teledad and did nothing to LS
Amon (guest) - 2009/02/17 10:48

Last I checked, they didn't touch Rescue Cat. Do you have any CLUE how easy it'll be for Glads to get a Turn 1 Heraklinos? Lightsworn won't be as dominant as you suggest, even despite the fact Judgment Dragon escaped the banhammer.
Hoga (guest) - 2009/02/17 10:26

...

WTF! o_O

G-Blaze (guest) - 2009/02/17 10:35

Ok 1 important question will this ever happen in TCG rulings?

danierulynx - 2009/02/17 10:53

Yes. Simple as.
EvilAzn - 2009/02/17 10:50

Hmmm

I like this list. Finally, all those Tele-DADs get the crippling they so rightfully deserve. Muahahaha. It's also nice that Beastari is Limited to 1 which will mean my Lightlord/sworns will rush through a Gladiator Beast deck without too many concerns.

If they were to cripple a Lightlord/sworn deck I'd suggest Limiting Lyla and Limiting Lumina. Of course, Reinforcements, Zombie Carrier and Card of Safe Return somewhat cripple my deck to some degree.

Also, Chaos Sorcerer is back... I don't think it was wise to bring him back. He is still as deadly as he was so long ago. Plus, he's very splashable in most meta decks.

Amon (guest) - 2009/02/17 10:56

See above reply... Rescue Cat still being legal means Glads can EASILY get a Turn 1 Heraklinos out most of the time through Samnite, which is far more damaging than Gyzarus could ever hope to be. And hello, Bestiari at 1 doesn't matter thanks to the tag-out thing Glads do.
ssj_duelist - 2009/02/17 10:55

I like it!

DIdn't see Bestiari being limited. But I think this ban list is nice. Of course it's majorly unbalanced and I have no clue what they were on but still nice. :3

AbyssHunted (guest) - 2009/02/17 11:29

Damn...

With major decks crippled and Ultimate Offering at 2, I have only one think to say:

GADGETS.

Also, WTF at bringing back Chaos Sorceror? I guess it's not as broken as DAD, but still...

Amon (guest) - 2009/02/17 12:37

Ptera OTK > Gadgets, 'nuff said.
szdasdasd (guest) - 2009/02/17 11:58

Fuck you

DalekSam (guest) - 2009/02/17 12:39

No.

While I can see major decks being crippled such as Tele-DAD, I'm not really saying it's too bad. Yes, some game breakers are back but still, when they were released people didn't know how to use them right iirc.

Just my 2 cents though.
Tsukiyo (guest) - 2009/02/17 15:08

Lol

Everyone's GB this LS that, lol. Did anyone think that it is now possible for Spellcasters to hit Tier 1 at least in the TCG. This ban list certainly makes that much much easier especially with Chaos Sorceror

Guest (guest) - 2009/02/17 15:36

I think the ban-list was made with the raging battle cards in mind. (GB can be countered with GB Hunter) I think Rescue Cat Synchro decks are going to take over synchro dark and synchro undead now. Also, with the upcoming starter deck 2009 featuring X-saber airbellum, it will sell like hotcakes, especially in places where there isn't dual terminal.
Packleader (guest) - 2009/02/17 18:42

I totally agree. Spellcasters will be a force to be reconed with but so will some previously underdog archtypes like aliens. Mark my word, that synchro of theirs is not to be taken lightly. And of course there's some of that really nice support cards coming up. Wait and see...
admir (guest) - 2009/08/16 23:27

Mwhahaha

Mwhahaha Finally my spellcaster deck will rule once again!
brennan (guest) - 2009/02/17 15:41

banlist

cool.now tat the tele dads and zombie synchros outta the meta game,we shld see a pause in aniti meta decks too.and cheers to chaos sorcerer!the perfect monster to replace my 2nd dark armed.thnx konami!!!!i love konami!!!!

TheDarkAngelRocket - 2009/02/17 18:03

Re: March 2009 Banned and Restriction List

This banlist definitely affects meta; plenty of great cards limited this time around. Not Forbidden, just limited. Others, such as Chaos Sorcerer and Raiza, went down the scale. Some, such as RotA and Diabolic Guy, have returned to the limited status. And surprisingly, Monster Reborn survived the change unhitched.

I do not know if this pends to Raging Battle, but we'll find out when September 2009's banlist comes.

Packleader (guest) - 2009/02/17 18:33

finaly...

This list is probably the best thing that happened in yugioh since, well since ever...
Thing is, most decks were basicaly running on autopilot - every idiot (provided he had a lot of money) could make tele-dad and win 5 out of 6 games. This will even things up a bit and force players to make intelegent plays and creative builds. For some time at least...

TheDarkAngelRocket - 2009/02/18 01:43

Re: Packleader

Obviously.
The majority of competive decks really have the same cards.
Kalo (guest) - 2009/02/17 18:46

Just New Cards

This the list without the old card that are forbidden or limited

Akira (guest) - 2009/02/17 19:15

Oh my ! Already?
Well I think this is the best banlist , better than last one that was total catastrophe.
Top decks lose their power and finally other deck types will have chance for up in metagame. All this was expected adn konami did good job.Also everyone predicted Chaos Sorcerer will come back, at 1 and without Twlight Fusion it is not broken, it is more counter card.Still i think he will make Lightsworns even stronger, of course Judgment Dragoon wasn't touched - he is theme card.
Allure Of Darkness and D- Draw- AGREED.They gave too much power to teleDad and become very splashable in any variant of Dark Deck.
Treasure Of Return ( COSR)- Well i didn't want this card be Limited, bust still makes Undead overpowered , I think it would be much easier to limit all essential Undeads but i think this way is good, it will stop their power.
Urgent Teleport- EXPECTED.Easy synchros
Zombie carrier- Splashable, easy synchros
Reinforcments-well this is big hit on Warriors but easy Airman and Grepher.....
DARK ARMED DRAGON- finally restricted ! No more ,,Diabolicguy-Zombie carrier-Synchros-DAD-WIN,, more balance to game.
DIABOLICGUY-reason as above, too much spalshable and esy Synchros
Goyo and Brionac-Annoying Synchros, easy to summon and big effect.I am cheering to ban Brionac and return Early Burial in September 2009
BESTIOURII- Gladials lose their power, they won't be seen so much anymore.We msut say goodbye to them....I like gladials and their style but easy and unfair advantage with Kaiseris is not allowed...
AND NOW WE CAN SAY OTHER DECKTYPES FINALLY THAT THEY ARE WELCOME TO META, Plants,Black Feathers,Busters,Dragons...Better and intersting meta than past one.Good jon Konami!

RedArchfiend (guest) - 2009/02/17 19:22

Finally better meta is upcoming.
Now ppeople will be forced to use more decks more combos and more creativity to win.other decktypes have chance to shine.In past teledad meta best players were ones that had more money .
Dark Armed Dragon, Urgent Teleport, Carrier, Diabolicguy were splashed in any deck . It cretaes boring OTK meta we had.I think following will be better of course.
And no more Gladial and Undead worries...

DarkSigner (guest) - 2009/02/17 19:29

Not fair , Zombies take too much hit!
COSR at 1! Goblin Zombie 2, Mezuki 1!
i mean Zombies are very powerful deck but so much hit by banlist...

Packleader (guest) - 2009/02/17 19:46

Zombies were not powerful - with mezuki, goblin and plague unlimited they were BROKEN all the way. And COSR wasn't limited only because of the zombies and we all know that.
ZombiesFTW (guest) - 2009/02/17 20:31

wtf......................
so is the cards that are to be banned not shown yet? or is this it and there are no new bans?
other than my question all i have to say konami sucks dick

ZombiesFTW (guest) - 2009/02/17 20:37

i reallllly hope this ban list is fake :(((((((
i hate konami, lightsworns didnt even get touch and zombies take a big kick to the face.
i totally agree (im a teledad and telezombie player btw) with most of this ban list, but if they were gonna limit the cosf, there was really no need to make mezuki 1, even 2 woulda been fine for mezuki.. konami this is why ppl quit yugioh, cuz u guys are fagbags that want ppl to literally commit suicide.

redpyro (guest) - 2009/02/18 04:50

ok with this new ocg list lets get somethings straight because obv you are just being a whiney baby. 1. its good that teledad and GBS are gone because both were top tier sjc winning decks, 2. zombies would have been an easy next tier 1 deck and i think its good that they were stopped before people started complaining about something new, 3. lightsworn deserves its time in the spot light because it has never won any jumps, 4. the list in general is really okish to good i would say the next meta will be lightsworn, monarchs- weather it be PC or cornarchs, and rouge decks in general weather they be anti meta or just plain out rouge. Not a bad list another deck i see possibly topping would be hopeless dragon.
DivineVictory - 2009/02/23 02:33

What are you a child?

So you are bitching and Complaining about how you cant do your Tele-Dad 4 card combos anymore to win agents a deck that had a lot of work done to it to put your damn Tele-DaD deck in the dirt. Sad, I cant stand people like you! Last Regins I went to I was running Six Sam, a good one at that . . .I had to go agents this kid that was running a Tele-DaD deck. My god! That was the worst Duel I have ever had! That Kid was cocky, stupid, irregant, pompis, and had t respect for other Duelist except other Duelist WHO HAD TELE-DAD DECKS. People who run Dad decks piss me off to know end!

You have no respect of other Duelist
You think because you are running a fucking Meta deck your hot shit
You only have friends that run other Meta Decks
If you hear about someone winning over a Meta Deck it pisses you off
All the fucking decks you guys use are Net-Deck-able.
You use no Orginality or skill

I mean really who the hell are you to complain about your mighty Dad/Tele-DaD deck gettin crippled? If you are so damn good at Dueling, YOU WILL FIND A NEW WAY TO TAKE YOUR LIMITED BROKEN-ASS DECK AND STILL KICK ASS WITH IT.

I hate people who Bitch about there easy to run pre-made Meta decks when they FINALLY lose all power after being so fucking broken!
Manticore6989 (guest) - 2009/02/17 21:19

Interesting developments...

This ban list intrigues me. I had no idea coming in what to expect, except the vague idea that Tele-DAD and Zombies would take a hit. But I had no idea things would be like this! A lot of the changes are understandable and some are a bit more convoluted, like Reinforcements. While Warrior decks take a huge hit, this limitation is almost necessary in the face of (at least to my knowledge) one simple card to be released: Level Warrior, a Cyber Dragon in Warrior form. Check it out, and you'll see what I mean.

I definitely wasn't expecting Baboon, Raiza, Behemoth, Manticore (but I guess COSR's limitation makes up for the OTK) or especially Chaos Sorcerer. If this list is the real deal, some interesting decks may arise, but I predict Lightsworns have the potential to make it big; their biggest players weren't affected and they even have a new best friend in the form of Chaos Sorcerer.

pikachu (guest) - 2009/02/17 21:25

mixed feelings..........(TCG)

i dont have a tele-dad but i still feel srry for them yes they were over powered but still this blist juss pwned them in the face hard. and i used to like playing tele-dads becuase u knew u wer in for a full on challenge. zombies i think they can survive this blist as for myself i have 2 decks and this blist hit one hard and juss dimolished one. my first is Glads and without the help of my lil birdy fren i no longer can take full advangtage of E hero prisima and test tiger but with samite coming out im not too worried ^_^. but my second deck an E teleport monarch deck....OUCH!!!!!! i would juss give it up if it wasnt for raiza being semi limited so im gonna juss make another monarch deck. my 2 cents for this blist is omg why would u break top tier decks so badly and not touch LS!!!!!!! >_<

(\__/)
(o'.'o)
(")_(") pikachu

Akira (guest) - 2009/02/17 21:33

Well as you see this is mostly not fake banlist.
I don't play much of competitive nor i play Undead but i think that this banlist also hit many other decks,Undeads have severe damage with this limitations.
Even this banlist fairly gets rid of Teledad, it is not so good.
Reinforcments at one? Yes Level Warrior is great but it is not the reason.
Chaos Sorcerer may be good as all predicted but, simply they killed Undeads,and Manticore mostly sees no play so wyh limit Treasure Of Return? Still broken undeads are limited but why COSR??
They unlimit Baboon but cahnged it's ruling making it even worse.Other unlimits are irelevant, also Dol Dora has ruling about activating effect.
And yeah no banned cards.

darkSigner (guest) - 2009/02/17 21:39

And so much hit on mezuki?Why?
You have Burial to return him, but still is balanced.Not fair.
Also Lightsworns untouched even getting more strenght with Sorcerer, unexpected one.
And Bestorourii is Limited what means Galdials are very very weak now, no more use of it.
Really I would like this banlist is fake, but it is just a dream.):

tsog - 2009/02/17 21:49

i hate one thing on this list
i finally made a competitive, pure zombie deck (only 1 psz, no goblin zombies or DADs btw, i can't afford either) and konami killed the whole thing
the only card that should be touched in a zombie deck is cosr
with 2x cosr i can pull off 4 synchros easily (up to eight if i am lucky)
with none i can barely pull off two synchros early, if i am extremely lucky
my point:
mezuki should not be limited, maybe semi
instead, cosr should be banned to restrict, but NOT DESTROY, zombies

Packleader (guest) - 2009/02/18 00:00

4 or more synchros in one turn...and you say it shouldn't be limited.
Come on!!!
And becides, like I already said, COSR was not limited only because of zombies. There are also plants and even dragons got some bad ass cards that can really abuse that card.
I didn't think they would limit mezuki, i thought they would limit burial from different dimension, but this works just fine. Why limit card that is not a problem for one that is.
Packleader (guest) - 2009/02/18 00:04

Maybe this game will be more about creativity and less about MONEY in the furure. We all know DAD and CCV are not that big deal in Japan and are extremly common. Hopefully we can now see some real playing, not bunch of i-know-it-by-heart-yawn-yawn combos.
Now is the time to show some actuall skill in this game.

Semi (guest) - 2009/02/18 00:08

I agree. And regarding LS - they are much easier to sidedeck against then against tele-dad and are still to inconsistent to be real threat. They might wipe the floor with you, or just lose misserably. I personaly use Chain Dissapearance against them...works like a charm...
Sérgio Henrique (guest) - 2009/02/18 00:15

Muito interessante! GB e LightLORD

Interessante esta lista, muito equilibrada para o jogo atual americano como o japones, porém acredito que perderam grande oportunidade de Semi-limitarem o Honest e uns 2 suportes para Light, também vai voltar ao jogo os GBs que poderiam dar uma Semi-Limitada no Test Tiger e no Samnite e Limitarem o Rescue Cat. Contudo muito bom a lista, realmente equilibrará o jogo e deixará ele um pouco mais lento, digo uns 5 a 10 turnos para o Kill!

This list interesting, very balanced for the current game as the Japanese and American, but I have lost great opportunity to semi-limit the Honest and a 2 brackets for Light, will also return to the game that GBs could provide a Semi-Limited in Test Tiger and the Samnite and limit the Rescue Cat. However a very good list, really balance the game and leave it a bit slower, say about 5 to 10 turns for the Kill!

??? (guest) - 2009/02/18 00:22

.....

Wtf is this, not even touching Lightsworns. Wonder what other decks will be top tier.

sonic_slicer - 2009/02/18 02:15

i love this list

it's not perfect...but it's a start

they crippled tele-dad

they slowed down plants and zombies with limiting card of safe return

they dented Gladi-beast a little

and anyone bitching about lightsworn...i say look at the blackfeathers, then start bitching


Ladies and gentlemen...start you engines...it's gonna be a bumpy ride for the next six months.

Wolfgang DelaSangre (guest) - 2009/02/18 02:24

Half good, half Peter Griffin

They unbanned Chaos Sorcerer, Limited DAD, and didn't touch Judgment Dragon. This signals the rise of TwiLightsworn decks.

They Limited Bestiari but not Gyzarus. This actually HELPS Gladiator Beasts. Less chance of drawing into Bestiari, and it's really not at all hard to get back if it's Solemn'd. Gyzarus at 3 is now even worse.

They Semi'd Raiza. Monarchs just got incredibly popular.

They put Phantom of Chaos at 3. They'll Limit or Ban it two days after a Phantom of Norleras OTK wins.

I'm gonna hate this format...

tsog - 2009/02/18 04:31

with mezuki at 1, how are you going to otk with norleras?
limiting mezuki dropped zombies to tier 2 or below
i stand by my point that mezuki should have been semi and cosr banned
cosr can be +4 or more if you use zombie masters again and again
mezuki is +1 by itself (i know you can burial, but with 2 mezuki, it's only +1 again per burial)
Amon (guest) - 2009/02/18 15:20

For the record...

Let's get some other things straight. First off, we still don't know if there'll be ANY tournament event in North America that's higher-up than locals ever again, so the comment that Lightsworn deserves to get an SJC-winning spotlight is completely uncalled for - and the reason for this is, again, the fact Konami ILLEGALLY terminated its contract with Upperdeck and is continuing to break international law.

Second, you're making me point out for the umpteenth time that Bestiari's new Limit means jack shit when considering the entire tag-out thing Glads love to do. NO Limitation affects Glad.dek, if you're going to hurt them you do it with a complete ban.

Let's again note that I do not see ANYTHING promising in this list. It's just sickening, how Konami went at it... Darkarmed, E-Tele, Plaguespreader and CoSR all should've been banned, not Limited. Allure should've been banned completely, Mezuki didn't need touching, Malicious needed Limiting, and why the fuck was RotA put at 1 and Destiny Draw at 2 when the easier solution there would've been to put Malicious at 1 and kill it once and for all. This level of stupidity in the new banlist is just plain disgusting, and I can't stand how you people can continue the role of the mindless sheep and praise Konami's idiocy. So if you're going to bash on me because you think I'm bitching, go right on ahead, but you people sure as hell don't know WHY I'm bitching.

Astaroth (guest) - 2009/02/18 18:09

because that makes little sense. Dark Armed Dragon is suffering DMoC Fever. Hence why he's at one. Now at many decks that can use him, they will side him out now because running multiple copies are out.

Plaguespreader didn't need to be limited, it needed to be semi. RoTA same.

But all the same, this list is trying to go back to FET and well, Konami is going to get more complaints than it wants
Hebi (guest) - 2009/02/18 16:28

o.0

I like this list a lot. I agree they probably could have semi'd Mezuki but I'm not going to hold that against them. Zombies had far too many recursion cards open to them, compared to other decks.

Besti's limit DOES mean something. Now you can just go "Bottomless Trap Hole" when it's summoned by tag out and that's the end of Gyzarus in the deck. Everyone also seems to forget that G.B. Hunter is coming out which stops tag outs completely. Not to mentions you can stop them now with Threatening Roar, and proceed to remove Besti from the field, limiting Glads power. Glads are hurt by this list due to the limit of Bestiari, but I think they'll still be powerful with Cat-Samnite combo.

I don't think LS will be a top deck unlike some other people. First of all, they depend on good opening draws to do anything, and to get any good field presence at all they need good mills. A deck that relies on that much luck can't get a straight X-0 record in a tournament. Secondly, whoever is in charge of the TCG list might put Charge of the Light Brigade to 1 or something, which would severly hurt LS. Finally, Anti-Meta decks like Gadgets and decks that side Light-Imprisoning Mirror will hurt Lightsworn, because they then have to side Decree and Twisters, which really hurt their deck because those cards are not fast at all, and take up places of useful S/Ts or LS.

Overall, I like this list a lot. I'll finally be able to run a good Monarch deck again <3

Astaroth (guest) - 2009/02/18 18:06

its official

Konami has gone daft. Not only have they (alongside upperdeck entertainment) shafted the US completely, but now they just returned the game to monarchville. Good job Konami, another brainless move on your part. Do yourself a huge favor, get your act together and do things right.

Hebi (guest) - 2009/02/18 18:18

No...

There's plenty of other decks that can beat Monarchs.

Blackwings, LS, Glads, Plants...

Monarchs are pretty slow and most of these decks outspeed them. That's not to say that Monarchs aren't worth running, but they aren't the be all and end all of the format.
DarkSigner (guest) - 2009/02/18 19:06

Yes Emperors - Monarchs- are easy to beat but it doesn't mean they should be unleashed.They can be abusable once more, with much larger card pool and fact is that Raiser/Raiza stops drawing, it can make lockdown for opponent of course.Along with Phoenix Wind etc.
Destiny Draw Semi limited is just stupid, It won't have power anymore because Diabolicguy is back at two.
They crippled top tier decks, but also ruined potentials of other ones.
Plants lose COSR, no much draw power
Undeads lose good monsters, they won't be so playble, nor be Tier 2-COSR at 1,Mezuki at 1,Carrier at 1 adn Goblin at 2- they are totaly bad now.
Dragons lose COSR and they ahve synergy with Cemetery.
Also Baboon at 2 and Dol Dora at 3 are meaningless cause of new rulings.
Compensation of Blood ( Offering) will make gadgets powerful and dominating again
with Reckless Greeds,Pot of Avarice and new Magic Planter form Raging battle.
Chaos Sorcerer at one will create havoc once you will see, it will be abuse again, specially with Phantom Of Chaos at 3.Lightsworns won't be top tier but still close to top tier.
This list slows meta but destroys everything else.Not bad, but not SO good either.
Reinforcments at 1 , COSR at 1 and other bad limiations/ semilimitations are unforgivable.
I mean COSR may be ,,broken,,but still there is other way to deal with it and reduce it's power by something else.
Now meta will be Lightsworn-Core Chimairs-gadgets-monarch variants.bad really bad, I don't expect much cause so many decks are killed.

tsog - 2009/02/18 22:41

what are the new rulings concerning baboon and twin headed behemoth?
Mooster (guest) - 2009/02/18 21:37

This is the list that will let all hell break loose (in a good way). This list will let all those fun/creative/combo decks have a chance at competitive play and it slows down the format. The list was also made with the new packs in mind. Buster mode will get a chance to play, black wings and also core chimairs in the near future. Just like how the chaos era got killed, so did teledad.

Wolfgang DelaSangre (guest) - 2009/02/19 00:16

I wish you would step back from that ledge, my friend...

Unbanning Chaos Sorcerer and Limiting DAD instead of banning it, not to mention the fact that they didn't even TOUCH Judgment Dragon... all this means that TwiLightsworn will be one of the top-contenders of this format. In fact, it's probably gonna be our single-meta.

Then again, there's the Semi-Limiting of Raiza the Storm Monarch. That was dumb. Monarchs are another top contender now.

And finally, there's the Limiting of Bestiari, which doesn't do jack. This just makes it easier to summon Gyzarus. I don't mind Bestiari being Limited, but they should have Limited Gyzarus as well. That alone would have put the Gladiator Beasts in check. But no, they had to do this.

I hate Konami.

d3nieru (guest) - 2009/02/19 00:51

lol you guys always manage to complain about every list

seriosly why do people complain when the current meta gets crippled, the OBVIOUS would-be top tier gets shot down, GB get a little spank, people will play emperors and gadgets again but wont dominate, and even with all this LS wont dominate.

The only thing that is obviously money driven is that they didnt touch rescue cat and airbellun... 2 summon priest, 2 rescue cat and 3 airbellun... owow just in time to buy 3 STARTER decks for airbelun!

rakatosu (guest) - 2009/02/19 02:32

its not as bad as it looks

the only reason these cards were limited is the fact that they were in every top 8 listing and the others didn't make it or only a few.
you can complain about LS not being touched but have u even see them top 8 against the others. now in the tcg i no its different, since LS has top 8'd but the thing is the list is built on the Japanese tourneys and not the American ones simply because we don't have as many card out as them.
this new list brings many old decks back to play, for example LaDD. tho some may still think GB, LS, and rescue synchro will flood the scene since they haven't been touched and that may be true for some but others have already found a better deck to be triumphant with.
(on the side i think GB is dead with bestari at 1 and herks not a problem, and LS can be stop with 1 simply card that many decks may run or could easily side in)

Wolfgang DelaSangre - 2009/02/19 03:03

TwiLIghtsworn...

...is a LIGHT/DARK deck focusing around Lightsworns and DARK monsters. With Chaos Sorcerer and DAD now at 1 and Judgment Dragon still only at 2, this will become an obvious play choice.
Drak Signer (guest) - 2009/02/19 10:32

This list helps having more creative decks to shine but unfortunately, ruins potentials of others.
I don't complain beacuse this Teledad meta is destroyed, I complain beacsue how many other potentials are destroyed.
With Reinforcments at 1, Warriors are very unplayable,little ways to search them.So no Warriors in any form ( E-Heros, D-Heros,Junk Synchorn,Level Warrior), it's potential is ruined.
Chaos Sorcerer screams ,,abuse, abuse,, specially now when Fallen Angel Asmodius comes out and also Lightlords will abuse this card, no matter how much are they are reliant on milling.
Chaos Sorcerer will help little more to Spellcasters but too much in Lightlords.
Destiny Draw at 2 makes any D-Hero form of deck almost not playable.No Discguy,Diaboilcguy Semi Limited ( this I agree of course), Airman at 1.....

Good thing is meta is slowed down with finally putting an end to teledad
Bad thing is we have limited ways to bulid some cretive deck we would like.

sonic_slicer - 2009/02/19 11:31

With Reinforcments at 1

E-Heros still got 3 E-Emergency Calls and Hero Signal (which only a few people will actually play)

and d-draw going to 2 isn't that bad, that just means people will run other draw cards like reckless greed.
sonic_slicer - 2009/02/19 11:57

Overall

I think keeping DAD at 1 is good for the following reasons.

1.I can imagine someone finally get a DAD just to find out that it's banned and bam.....money down the drain (for the american player anyway)

2.with the changes, DAD has weaken a bit


If i had my way i would do the following

bring back pot of greed, ring of destruciton and time seal

put Judgement dragon, phantom of chaos, and mask of darkness at 1

put some of the draw cards like rare value, solar reacharge, and reckless at 2

Miguel (guest) - 2009/02/19 16:33

Agree

I agree with what you day about DAD, but not your suggestions on that draw cards because they're themed cards so they can only be used with specific deck not as pot of greed
sonic_slicer - 2009/02/19 18:38

to Miguel

I say that because unless you play a specific theme (dark, LS, crystal beast, d-hero, etc...) the only draw cards are 3 reckless greed, 3 hand destruction, and card destruction

also...some draw card's effects are easier to use than other

d-draw: discard a d-hero
solar recharge- discard a lightsworn
trade in: discard a lv 8 monster

as for my other reason for liking the ban list is this

I (or any other player) shouldn't have to be forced to play a certain deck just to win.

I've got a friend who kept going to a local tournament, kept losing, and the guy who ran the tournament kept saying "that's what win tournaments"

so my friend made a GB and a monarch deck

point being...i shouldn't (or any other player) be forced to use certain cards just to win

Priest Mahado (guest) - 2009/02/20 05:56

Just Awsome

Now a change will happen, you won't see in torni's the dad versions will be gone, its just nice now seeing "new"

but remember someone will create another deck which will be top tier and the next ban will try and kill it also so its unavoidable loop.

so please quit complaining and accept it, it's the peoples fault in just creating Dad version decks in the past, if that never happend then it would never get touch that badly (but what can i say people want to win so they net deck, people in japan and other asian countries are more creative than North and South Amercian's)

So Cheers to Konami (you did good and bad)
RedArchfiend (guest) - 2009/02/20 13:13

This abnlist may be good but it is also very bad.
Zombies are totally destroyed.
If Card Of Safe Retrun is BROKEN in Zombies it doesn't mean that is so broken somewhere else.
Rather Goblin Zombie, Zombie carrier and Mezuki be Limited thand COSR.Put them at one, Manticore leave at two and also COSR.
Also Reinforcments at 1....is plain stupid.
Chaos Sorcerer is unleashed form banishment to wreck chaos over again.
And Lightsworns will be on top too.
Maybe this list allows more creativity and stops havoc of DAD but it is not fair that other cards get hit becuase of DADs or Zombies power.
The point of this list is to majorly cripple Meta but at cost of palybiltity of other cards.
Sarcophagus at two won't help much, also Mind Crush, Baboon, Manticore and Behemoth.
Raiza will allow more power to Monarchs, that means everyone will play it.Really don't hype this list caus eit destroys meta and gives more cretive builds.For few months will go story:Chaos Sorcerer is abused,BAN IT! Raiza is abused, BAN IT!
Ideal list would be with Reinforcments at 2 or 3,COSR at 2 with broken Zombies Limited.That only itches me, nothing else.
This list has good, but also bad sides.Well we need to wait how this banlist will really form metagame.

Amon (guest) - 2009/02/20 18:38

Just how bad are you people, anyway?

You dumbass. CoSR is banworthy regardless of what it is that abuses it - you could've simply decided to axe it completely and leave Zombies alone. Much simpler way to get your Soblem Provled.

And let abuse be damned. Let abuse be God damned. Raiza shouldn't have ever been on the list AT ALL, dumbass; what's so fucking bad about asking decks to be able to take hits?
yamamoto (guest) - 2009/02/21 07:00

er...

dude lightsworns and monarchs arent the only ones thats gonna own now..blackfeathers had a major upgrade in raginging battle. so ur gonna see more of them. not to mention their swarming capabilities.
DarkSigner (guest) - 2009/02/20 18:57

COSR banworthy?
Well, why no one was saying it before.Everyone whines that COSR is banwortzhy all over and over again.
Actually I agree it is abused, but question is : Limit zombies or Limit COSR instead fo them.Currently both are Limited.
COSR has it's uses for Plants and few other decks but it shouldn't be DAMNED for banning, God sakes.
tell me how ,many decks can abuse COSR so badly so it can be banned?
Yes, zombies but rest? Plants won't have so much impact as Zombies.Point is to stop overuse of Zombies and let other deck be better, decks that are slower.
And Raiza, will, no doubt, be abused again and of course everyone will whine to ban it etc. etc. etc. etc.

Kaostheory - 2009/02/21 01:24

Zombies

The hit zombies took was way too severe for anything they had done
Goblin Zombie at 2 is fine since 3 searcher cards is a little too much for a deck anyways sangan will do fine
Mezuki at one is way too much hurting on it, two would have been acceptable
COSR at one is huge considering the average player does not have access to the more expensive draws like allure of darkness
Plaguespreader at one is one of the single most stupidest moves i have seen. There are two synchros dependent on plague and limiting him only hurts those cards severely. But the stupidity of the move is only transcended by the face that there is this little card called Doomkaiser Dragon/Assault Mode coming out in America and now very few people will want a card that is ridiculously hard to summon now. Unless they create a tuner that has a weakened effect and is plaguespreader on the field then they really only hurt their sales of CRMS in the TCG

narutofishy (guest) - 2009/02/22 06:12

Perfect circle comes back to tcg. i dont know how it will match with gb's and lightsworns, but should do well. so far, pretty decent banlist. could be better but this is a start.

Akira (guest) - 2009/02/22 13:31

This is really good list, it finally prevents leading decks form their killing spree: TeleDad and Zombies.
But unfortunately at cost of other decks and cards.
Reinforcments at 1 is unforgivable to Konami.Why this is so powerful?
Yes it adds Airman to hand quickly and gives Diabolicguy, but Diabolicguy is now at 2 so it is not so useful fo Synchro.Reinforcments should stay at 2 or 3, not 1!!!Now warriors are at least useful!
Also urgent teleport- I have doubts but i think it is okay to stop splashabilty of Krebons and easy Synchros.Still devastating for Psychics.
Chaos Sorcere- he returns form banishment, he is not broken as before BUT still he will be spalshable and overused card.
Monarchs will return but I hope they won't be so boring as it was in previous metas.
Also Lightslords aren't touched whhile Undeads, Warriors and rest are!!
Not fair!

RedArchfiend (guest) - 2009/02/22 13:34

Also thinking that this banlist will make decks that were slower and creative decks shine is just an utopia.
I am afraid that all ,,creative,,decks will be successfull if Chaos Sorcerer is splashed in also Monarchs.That is what i really wouldn't like to happen but I am afraid it will.

Jeager (guest) - 2009/02/22 14:15

So much crd got limited becuase of teledad!!! It is not fair!!
Why that deck was builded!!??
Reinfrcments
Urgent teleport
Zombies
They all become splashable because of teledad!
But I am glad other decks will stood more chance and be better but I mean ither decks ddin't get anything special,only big decks got punished.

dan (guest) - 2009/03/04 18:11

Hmm...

This list doesn't seem to have affected Plants, so they should be pretty powerful. LS will possibly take over, but the new monster from crimson, dimentional forteress weapon, might beat them if put into side or main decks. Also, who ROTA at 1!!! It makes little sense-apart from the fact it may be a money-making scheme...But I dont think Chaos sorceror will be too bad-everyone having it will not make too much of a difference, since it is common in the TCG.

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